Which Turbo Kit is better?

[1sty]

I see your point. However, keep in mind they also got a new dyno. They need plates for it to run the Protege. It takes time to also do the Link correctly. I know Terry did it two years ago, but why did he switch to something else?

From my readings it was a cost decision, but FP's link for the Maita isn't inexpensive for sure. There may be other factors.

There is more to it than most people think. And this makes me a little worried when things just appear on the market like HiBoost with their kit.

For Hiboost, I have yet to see a shrot coming other then possibly loosing the factory Tach, which there is apparently a work around for. Other then that it is a far better system for my needs then FP.

Personally, I'm willing to wait out and see how long it takes FP to get more stuff. Their Miata market wasn't built over night.

It not a matter of time, in this case. FP has given it no attention. Its not like they are developing it. its not even a project. As far as I am concerned they should sell off the protege side of things to someone willing to make it a priority. I am not willing to wait around for them to even beggin something let alone actualy get a working product. I am sure they will but not for atleast another year. That brings us up to over 2 years with no improvements. I expected much more from them. I expected them once taking on the protege to give it the same attention as the maita, not just get a working system then ignore the protege to focus on the miata again.

I know Terry has been working on it since day one, but there are things about his set up that aren't very appealing either. With his stand alone you have to trade in your alternator...You shouldn't have to.

Since the factory alternator isn't impressive in the slightest and a general pain in my ass, keep in mind my factory alternator is on a bookshelf, this isn't a draw back as you get another alternator that works. The only down side i know of is needing another tachometer.

In reconsidering my purchase the Fp/BEGI kit is simply wrong for me. I know it was for atleast 1/2 the original 10 buyers too. Most of us have already ran into the lack of power annoyance, and swaped out the parts that made this kit appealing.
As far as I am concerned te only advantage to the FP kit for me is that it has probably the strongest manifold. Tubular manifolds don't mean a damn thing if the welds break. Corky's manifold is just bullit proof strong. After a nuclear war only 2 things will be left... Coachroaches and Corky's manifold

 

[70]

I see what you are saying...

You want something else to meet your needs.

FP will meet my needs when they figure out a nice to deal with teh advanced timing and fuel. Which should be soon.


One more defense for FP, is the Protege market, at least here on the board, seems to be rather fickle and once something "new" is out they run to it with gleaming eyes.

So, the demand hasn't necessarily been there for FP to do a whole lot. Yes, the original ten BEGI kits and a few others have been clamoring for things, but the market as a whole as not put the pressure on FP do much.

Instead they run to someone else once it comes out...But they never really seem to purchase anything fopr sometime. It takes a few like minded people to push for developemtn on things. And as of late, I seem to be one of the few pushing FP to do something, and quite frankly, I think they are getting tired of it and me.

 

[1sty]

I see what you are saying...

You want something else to meet your needs.

FP will meet my needs when they figure out a nice to deal with teh advanced timing and fuel. Which should be soon.

I agree on our different needs, However I very much disagree on the soon part.
Soon to me is 2 months up and for sale, TOPS!

 

[70]

I agree on our different needs, However I very much disagree on the soon part.
Soon to me is 2 months up and for sale, TOPS!

To get it all right it takes longer than that.

How long did HiBoost work before they even put their kit on the market? And they are still working on it.

 

[1sty]

No clue, but they aren't describing anything as soon.
FP may be soon to start a system for the protege but they are no where near soon to have on available. Hence the "soon",is not accurate.

 

[70]

No clue, but they aren't describing anything as soon.
FP may be soon to start a system for the protege but they are no where near soon to have on available. Hence the "soon",is not accurate.

True...

What do you plan on running then? The thing mentioned in this thread...

An APEXI S-AFC? J/K Perf and everyone else...

 

[1sty]

I am trying to weed through alot of different things to determin if its in any way practical to even keep this car for what I want form it.

Theres just to much not said around here becuase of authorized vendors and politiacal nonsense. So weeding through it all takes time. Not to mention some choose to ignore the actualy cost of proper upgrading.

As of now I am thinking of what a downpayment for something else may be and comparing that to how far that money will take my MP3.

 

[70]

Cool...I see where you are going now. I also got confused as to which thread I am in.

I meant to say the programmable set up you are looking in the other thread.

Not to thread jack, but, what would you replace it with?

 

[1sty]

I have alot of options running through my head these days. Having the P5 now gives me alot of freedom with my play car options. I have even thought about selling the MP3 and either swapping or getting another turbo for the P5 and getting a Subaru Impreza TS for the winter.

For the price the SRT/4 has always been in my mind.
Also I have always wanted a 240SX. The RX-8 would be in reach if it didn't have to have a $3500 option just to get leather interior.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I for one would love to see FP announce something in the way of continued improvement or development on the Protege side of things. I'm happy with where my car is at right now (which also means I am too broke to think otherwise ) but am exploring other options like Spool's microtech or Juan's haltech. It looks like, at least for what I want, I'll be waiting for whatever solution FP comes up with. This car is my daily driver, and i frankly don't have time or desire to sit there, tweak and tune fuel maps from another very expensive computer until I find that "just right" spot on my specific kit. Sorry Terry, Juan, Perf .

On my visit to FP they said they were aiming for a 12 psi target on stock internals using ignition and fuel control. I was also told in an email there was no timetable for this because of Miata problems. While I admit its a little frustrating, the Miata is their bread and butter and deserves the bulk of thier resources.

If Keith and Ken want to pay myself and few other talented techies I know the moving expenses, I'll come out and gladly work for them on the Protege side of things

 

[70]

...(snip)
If Keith and Ken want to pay myself and few other talented techies I know the moving expenses, I'll come out and gladly work for them on the Protege side of things

LOL!! Then I'll come over every day off I have to help...

 

[Little Beavis]

The problem is I have yet to see someone mention the Hiboost system can run on 91 octane!
Most of canada and the US can get only 91 and no higher.

Yeah this is something that bugs me. . .I have yet to see any dyno sheets of the Hiboost system. I think they have a great system (maybe the best our there right now), but other than word of mouth, I don't know of any "proof". Sorry to be a doubter, but I would have thought something would be posted by now!

 

[1sty]

On the proof note go and search spoolin aswell. I have yet to find alot of "soon" dynos results. Infact about all I can fid is the one for stage one on his site.

 

[YP5 Toronto]

Yeah this is something that bugs me. . .I have yet to see any dyno sheets of the Hiboost system. I think they have a great system (maybe the best our there right now), but other than word of mouth, I don't know of any "proof". Sorry to be a doubter, but I would have thought something would be posted by now!

patience....I can't wait either...

I did my before dyno and will post results at the same time as I do my after dyno. It will be complete with an A/F tracking for each run.

My baseline was about 106 whp...

Give me 1.5 weeks.

 

[spoolinmp3]

On the proof note go and search spoolin aswell. I have yet to find alot of "soon" dynos results. Infact about all I can fid is the one for stage one on his site.

What do you mean??
We have had dyno plots since day one on all our kits.
If you check our site we have dyno's on all three stages.
Check for your self

http://www.spool-turbo.com/MP3.html
http://www.spool-turbo.com/stage2.html

http://www.spool-turbo.com/stage3.html

The only thing we dont have plots for is our stage X

We even have dynos for our MSP products
http://www.spool-turbo.com/dynomsp.html

 

[1sty]

I have been searching on here.
Also I have looked at your sight on several ocasions and not seen dynoes except for the stage 1. Has the site recently been reworked?
Thank you for the links

 

[1sty]

By the way the stage 3 has no info on it!

 

[spoolinmp3]

They have been up for almost a year now

 

[spoolinmp3]

By the way the stage 3 has no info on it!

What do you mean? What is missing so we can get it up on there

 

[1sty]

I don't see any dyno plots just numbers at the top.