What EMS systems are there?

[MPNick]

That door closed a long time ago.
Back to this thread. How is the AEM coming? When will you have the system ready to ship out?

 

[mazdaspeed75]

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But why, your car is not running right. You have holes in your fuel map. You only think it is runing good. You need to know that you timing is off. It only feels smooth. Stop the drugs so you understand what is going on.

N (hah) HAHAHAH (cheers) Yea i run the cold weather correction map and 900 cc injectors .

 

[Bigg Tim]

(breakn) (group) Um ok , Arp head studs are better , um but The microtech has gps , but wait the mpi projects timming after it bakes cookies and milk . Nick yuo are fuc&&&% hillarious , My type of guy. HAHAHHA This just made my day . (hah)

LOL! that's funny.

 

[mazdaspeed75]

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O get the **** out of here. You know DAMN well gas, altitude and air make a huge difference. Well see what happens in the near future. Like I have always told you, I'll go heads up with yours anyday!(thumb)

Yea for sure I know for sure here down in Louisana my whp would be very comparable to um lets see the dyno in um Az . Come stay here in the 90 plus degree humidity and 100 degrees Its alot different then Hot dry weather and the car still toghther . (poke)

 

[Mental Addiction]

See that makes it hard for me to stay out of it like I told you I wanted to. You just talked about professionalism and in the same paragraph you are saying he doesn't know what he's talking about. How is that professionalism? How is it proffessional to PM or call up other vendors to gang up on someone? To me, everyone is guilty of this so called "non-professionalism"!

When you are backstabbed and you know the whole thing and then slammed you can only take it so long. With Nick if you post a reply he will egg you on more, if you don't post he will get bolder and continue his attack. There's a point when you just can't standby and take it.

Why do people feel the need to post so much technical data instead of real world facts?

Technically data is generated from real world tests. That's why it's called technical data and is taught in school. Doing something and making power and understanding why something makes power is 2 different things. Once you understand it, you will make more than somone who does not.

Saying xtra injectors is "old school" is BS when there are still many people using them.

The mullet is still worn by many, but we all know it's outdated.. To those that where it it's not.

 

[Mental Addiction]

That door closed a long time ago.
Back to this thread. How is the AEM coming? When will you have the system ready to ship out?

Shipped 2 on Tuesday.

 

[MPNick]

Shipped 2 on Tuesday.

cannot wait to see dyno files for one. Then the real world testing.

 

[Mental Addiction]

cannot wait to see dyno files for one. Then the real world testing.

There's already 5 out there.

 

[mazdaspeed75]

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Hey this kid nows more than all of us . 17 MONTHS OLD . save target as

 

[Mental Addiction]

am not going to tell you or anybody how my system works inside. ..

Because you don't even know..

 

[BlkZoomZoom]

Wow how the tides have changed... I am going to give my (mostly) unbiased opinion on this whole thread.

Turburn- Where the hell did you ever come up with the idea to attack the Mpi because it still uses the stock pcm? That has to be the most retarded idea I have ever heard of. If the stock pcm sees the IAT getting alittle hotter wouldn't you want it to back timing down for you? If it sees the knock sensor getting lit off wouldn't you want it to back timing off? If you are cruising along wouldn't you want it to give you the most timing safely so you get the best fuel economy? I guess I just do not see the disadvantage here. Maybe you can give me an example that will make sense.
As far as the a/f thing. I have to agree with you on it. I was never able to tune real well on the stock narrowband. And after using the w/b I would never tune another car without one.
And to not be able to pass many state inspections (of which all states will be switching to the obd2 monitioring in the near future) is something that is unacceptable in my eyes. I may be biased because I have installed and used a few Mpi's, but I would only use a standalone on a all out race car that I didn't care about fuel economy, emissions, driveability or accessories.

MAM- Many cars do use big injectors nowadays. We also have cars that are using 120volts to fire the injectors w/ 1800psi of fuel pressure. They can do that from the factory that way and drive great in every load, temperature, altitude, etc. They can do this because they have hundreds of sensors and miles of algorithms that allow them to decided what to do in each situation. A standalone system has the basic sensors (maybe a few "indepth") with very few algorithms (if any) created specifically for the particular car it was installed on. There can be no comparision between the two. There is no way a standalone system can come close to the emissions, driveability, or capability of the stock ecm even with the stock size injectors.

Nick- Didn't we tell you to play nice? You got everybodies feathers in a ruffle over things that everybody already knew. Every system has it's place. No matter what it is. If you were going to build a full race car with bare bones everything are you going to tell me you would run the Mpi? I don't believe it for a second.

Now that I have beaten the dead horse down to look like a mouse. Everybody take a nice deep breath and relax. If you are confident of the products you make it shows through your words.

 

[mazdaspeed75]

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(thumb)

 

[505zoom]

Yes it had all that, plus a cast MSP manifold that you say sucks. It had a small intercooler and 12 degrees of timing out. We went there hopeing to run 20psi. We could only hold the wastegate to 15psi. The turbo is also a stock MSP unit with our stage I upgrade. It also made almost 340 torque to the wheel.

If it would only hold 15, then how in the world did you pick up 55 ftlbs at the ground from only 2psi?... while gaining a more realistic 25whp in the process?

(I have held 20psi on the stock msp actuator btw).

Now you run a much bigger turbo, a much bigger intercooler, a super whammy header and downpipe...

Yup, and that stuff WITHOUT a built motor, built head, open downpipe, IC spray, C-16, and your blessed hand at tuning made only 8whp and 9ftlbs less than you did, and did it at 12psi instead of 13. My setup would have made more than dean's did if I had run 13psi, no doubt. I should also mention that those runs would have been done under full MPI control if I wasn't told to BUY a new turbo module at full retail price to replace the defective one that I was sent.(thumb)

 

[status50]

Steve what gives, where does this come from? Tell me how you really feel. You and the other guys can post of of the stuff you want to, as detailed and as long as you want to. The fact is that I never liked any standalone and I never held that opinion to myself. I am not going to tell you or anybody how my system works inside. You do not want to go point to point and compare system to system. You want to show then the MPI is no good. To many people have them running right and do not have the problems that you are talking about.

I never have got into a debate with you because I do respect you for more then one reason. Now you get pissed and go down this road. Do what you need to do or makes you happy.

WOW are you in this world Nick? I have read several of your posts where you mess with NSN and other people. Then you act surprised that hes pissed at you. Go toe to toe with NSN and show us why the MPI is so much better. By the looks of this thread Steve has some very good info that you have not told us. I'm in the market for a system and was referred to you for the MPI. I'm having 2nd guess's now after reading this.
Is it true about the coil dwell NSN speaks of? Have you tested for this stuff?
Is it true about the timing? Have you tested for this stuff?
A good thread for the most part. Its sad to see our Vendors attacking each other though. But good info has come out from it.

 

[JDM Sam]

I can agree about the Haltechs being the mis-represented ones, but I also think they are crap and that the problems with them are not all posted up. Dunno about the microtech. But you have to agree that having to take out an EMS to pass an inspection is BS. Since they have been out for quite sometime, you would think that there would be more "fine tuned" maps out there. Also the fact that they do not actually retard timing is crap too. You have to advance the timing and use the SW to retard it. That's crap for the price IMO.

I'm sure your car runs good and I'm sure the Hawaii guys are running good. But dollar for dollar, the MPI is a better choice IMO, but I admit I am biased.(thumb) I needed to be able to pass emissions and what better way then with a piggyback.

what the hell are you talking about in the bold?

 

[low_psi]

I can't say I didn't see this coming....

 

[JDM Sam]

There is no way a standalone system can come close to the emissions, driveability, or capability of the stock ecm even with the stock size injectors.

Except for one...
http://www.motec.com/products.htm

or two.....
http://www.electromotive-inc.com/products/tec3.html

 

[Mental Addiction]

Except for one...
http://www.motec.com/products.htm

or two.....
http://www.electromotive-inc.com/products/tec3.html

Or three
www.aempower.com

 

[TurfBurn]

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Originally Posted by TurfBurn
Also if you check around you can find a number of discussions by other vendors about the fact that the Perfect Power SMT6 (MPI Tuner) intercepts and re-modulates the DC square wave for the ignition coils... since the leading edge of the wave is the initiation of the dwell period and the drop is the negative trigger for the spark in the coil the only way to make that happen sooner is to drop the negative sooner which then cuts down on your dwell time...
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This is not how it works. That is not the reason.

Then enlighten us instead of dodging the question... all the sources I can find say that is the way it works... onus is on you at this point.

 

[TurfBurn]

All this technical s*** about the spark and s*** IMO is just a deversion tactic. Who ****** cares if we don't know total timing. Who cares how long it has to wait. The MPI controls timing and fuel. If the standalones are SOOOOOO much better, then show me some numbers that blow the MPI numbers away! Show me someone who made 226whp @ 8psi (this was my everyday tune to get that number) on a 98 degree day with 94 octane gas. Hell, show me an MSP that made 240whp @ 8psi! (this was a to the max tune to get those numbers.)

The tech talk means s*** to me, the numbers mean everything in my eyes. For $1k or more, the unit BETTER do more then what the little ol piggyback can do. And just for info purposes, I tuned my car without the J&S to make that power!!

I "******* care" because Nick sees it necessary to go after the Microtech and standalones in general... so it's fine for him to attack other systems but for us to state facts and questions about the MPI is an issue?

1000 more? Last I checked the turbo MPI's ran right around 680 do they not? That would mean I run about 300 bucks higher... umm... Considering the MPI can't eliminate the stock ECU killing injectors for fuel cut, or move the rev limiter, etc.. I see that as 300 bucks rather well spent on top of everything else...

The numbers will come, just not as many units out there or as much time... the MPI has a good 2-3 year head start on my systems... so what do you expect?