What do u think about the new 2009 Mazda 6?

What I'm concerned about is that the "spec" is that the USG buys cars off lots to do the tests . . . how did they get a 2010?

It's part of the problem of the test (limited by cash and what the government determines is popular enough to test) but it also prevents manufacturers from "cooking the books" . . . . Toyota Prius MPG ring a bell??

Oddly enough, the 2010 M3 test results may have landed me that car if I didn't have the 6 already . . . but knowing my car after 6700 miles, the extra space is definitely worth it :)

To each their own . . . still . . . there's a beat-down in order for those with disrespect for our cars ;) "I'm suck in the middle with you . . . " Know what I mean? :)

-Ernie
 
To each their own . . . still . . . there's a beat-down in order for those with disrespect for our cars ;) "I'm suck in the middle with you . . . " Know what I mean? :)

-Ernie
No, I really don't know what you mean... (scratch)
 
I test drove a Mazda6 recently because I saw a couple of comments in Car and Driver that caught my eye regarding the interior design. Since I've turned into a bit of a dashstroker lately, I figured I'd go take a look at the interior of the new 6.

Well that look turned into a test drive. The interior on the 6 has to be one of Mazda's best efforts yet in a car. The seats are deeply sculpted and I sense would be very comfortable over the long haul, despite the lack of side bolsters. The seat fabric they choose is of high quality as well. The dashboard is fantastic, and really my favorite in the class now. Why? First off, I'm coming from a Protege which has an OEM radio which large, easy to use buttons and a two-knob setup. Well guess what - the 6 has practically the same design, and its much easier to use than the button-crazy accord and it feels very much like a quality unit. Also, the 3-knob setup with buttons in the center is a brilliant move by mazda and made the climate controls the easiest things to use. They even feel good to the touch - I swear, they took this straight out of Mercedes-Benz's playbook. To top this all off, the entire dashboard, with the exception of a couple of minor areas, is made of high quality materials that mimic an expensive car.

I liked the gauge cluster - but I found the speedo to not be very legible. It doesn't need to go to 160MPG and the font could be bigger. And the tach needs a bold red streak to indicate where the hell redline is. I found out from the rev limiter where it was. (eekdance)

The trunk has non-obtrusive struts and is massive. The opening is huge too, and the seats fold down. It's ridiculous in size if you ask me. The s model could be perfect for a mob run. I guess if you make the car this long (it's 2-3 inches short of the current Accord) you should get all that space opened up to you. Speaking of the interior, there's more than enough room in this car. I love how there's plenty of room for 6-footers - I have friends who will love that.

As for the drive - I agree that the Accord has a bit more refinement on uneven pavement, but the 6 is not that far off. C/D described it as a plus-size Mazda3 and that's pretty accurate. The ride is smooth and the cabin is quiet. On curvy roads there's plenty of boost in the steering, but thats expected - this car is 194 inches long after all. I felt that the car, with the right tires, will handle even better and make for a very rewarding drive, considering its size.

Off the line, the car I test drove (the 4-banger) felt a bit sluggish but once up to speed, it was ready to zoom. I liked on how on the highway, its engineered to be able to pass cars easily. The transmission gearing is typical Mazda, which is to say the final gear is a bit more aggressive than you expect. The engine felt fine to me - but I guess only time well tell how well it will hold up. We also have a CRV which has the 2.4L KA series engine, which is the gold standard right now if you ask me when it comes to refined, effective 4-cylinders. The 2.5L feels very isolated, unlike in my Protege where it may as well be in the passenger seat its so loud. But I still think it's a notch below the Honda KA series, as in higher RPMs it sounds a bit odd. However, I take my FS-DE up to 5K revs and I've become used to the sounds of a high revving engine. Mazda's engines are willing to go there - they may not feel as free-wheeling as the Honda ones, but they are pretty damn refined. Relative to some other engines on the market, the 2.5L 4-banger in the 6 is fine.

So what makes me interested in buying this car? Well a couple of things.

1) Its level of refinement - the interior is put together nicely for the most part, and it has excellent controls, seating comfort and space.

2) The 4-banger seems to be pretty efficient. Considering that my Protege gets 26-28MPG in mixed driving, if this thing, which is nearly 18 inches longer, a couple wider, and a couple hundred more pounds heaver, I think it should be just fine for me.

3) Price. If this car proves to have excellent reliability like the 07 and 08 6 models did, then with depreciation this car is a used car steal waiting to happen. I will probably lick my chops for the first couple of years of the model cycle and unless Mazda makes some serious upgrades in the refresh a year or two from now, I will wait and pounce on a lightly used model. I'm just concerned about the durability of the 4-cylinder's automatic transmission. Is it a Ford-sourced unit? I know Ford has REALLY been cleaning up their act lately, but I'm concerned about the unit's performance when it gets to 100K miles and up. I drive my cars until they die, literally! I might get the 6-speed just for the piece of mind.

It's a damn shame that Mazda sold only 1800 of these in June. It's a great car, possibly their best sedan ever, and they put it on the market right when the economy crapped out on everybody.
 
oh and lastly, the exterior styling is fantastic. The wheel gap is a bit of a bugger but i think it looks great from the front and the sides. I even dig the RX8 cues in the front end. However, they need to get a different set of 17-inch alloys for the Touring models. They just don't look right. Now the 18-inchers on the s... oh hell yeah, those are nice.
 
no ms6...
there is no point of having a turbo v4 when it produces the same amount of power as the v6
unless mazda decides to make a turbo for their v6 then it would come out but that would take a lot of effort and may not sell due to the economy being down
 
I've had my Mazda 6 for a few months now and I'm still enjoying it...I've had one problem with it though...My alarm just randomly goes off for no apparent reason...Well one thing i've noticed is it sometimes happens if I'm parked under a puddle of water...I wouldn't think that would set it off but it's happened about 5 times so far...Has anyone encountered this problem?
 
i don't know guys, I'm at a total loss as to what to get next. I've got ten months left on my lease, and there is nothing out there that compares to a MAzdaspeed 6 still. I thought about buying the car after the lease but she's off warranty and the buyout is way too high. I'm really disappointed in this new 6. Too big ,no manual in v6 and there's just something not right about it's styling. I don't mind the top of the line gt model with the larger wheels on it, but the rest of them just look unproportional somehow.

Mind you, I have very little interest in a MS3, as having a bigger car has spoiled me. But I don't need TOO BIG, and I think the new 6's are.

I don't see a new MS6 happening. They didn't sell well before, and I still don't think it was the cars fault, just poor advertising again by mazda. What do I get next? The legacy is too pricey up here, and it's interior doesn't impress me at all. MAtter of fact, all soobies look a little like a neon inside to me. AWD fusion....lol, I have no interest in a Ford. I have not fallen for this marketing hype that Ford is better these days...bulls***.

I'd almost settle for a AWD Mazda 6 v6 with a 6 speed tranny. But I don't think it'll happen. I wouldn't care if it said MAzdaspeed on the back, I just want AWD and around 275hp. Heck, I'd probaby take a MS3 in AWD if they made it, but they just won't make it.
 
i don't know guys, I'm at a total loss as to what to get next. I've got ten months left on my lease, and there is nothing out there that compares to a MAzdaspeed 6 still. I thought about buying the car after the lease but she's off warranty and the buyout is way too high. I'm really disappointed in this new 6. Too big ,no manual in v6 and there's just something not right about it's styling. I don't mind the top of the line gt model with the larger wheels on it, but the rest of them just look unproportional somehow.

Mind you, I have very little interest in a MS3, as having a bigger car has spoiled me. But I don't need TOO BIG, and I think the new 6's are.

I don't see a new MS6 happening. They didn't sell well before, and I still don't think it was the cars fault, just poor advertising again by mazda. What do I get next? The legacy is too pricey up here, and it's interior doesn't impress me at all. MAtter of fact, all soobies look a little like a neon inside to me. AWD fusion....lol, I have no interest in a Ford. I have not fallen for this marketing hype that Ford is better these days...bulls***.

I'd almost settle for a AWD Mazda 6 v6 with a 6 speed tranny. But I don't think it'll happen. I wouldn't care if it said MAzdaspeed on the back, I just want AWD and around 275hp. Heck, I'd probaby take a MS3 in AWD if they made it, but they just won't make it.

Last Gen Subaru Legacy GT?
 
i don't know guys, I'm at a total loss as to what to get next. I've got ten months left on my lease, and there is nothing out there that compares to a MAzdaspeed 6 still. I thought about buying the car after the lease but she's off warranty and the buyout is way too high. I'm really disappointed in this new 6. Too big ,no manual in v6 and there's just something not right about it's styling. I don't mind the top of the line gt model with the larger wheels on it, but the rest of them just look unproportional somehow.

Mind you, I have very little interest in a MS3, as having a bigger car has spoiled me. But I don't need TOO BIG, and I think the new 6's are.

I don't see a new MS6 happening. They didn't sell well before, and I still don't think it was the cars fault, just poor advertising again by mazda. What do I get next? The legacy is too pricey up here, and it's interior doesn't impress me at all. MAtter of fact, all soobies look a little like a neon inside to me. AWD fusion....lol, I have no interest in a Ford. I have not fallen for this marketing hype that Ford is better these days...bulls***.

I'd almost settle for a AWD Mazda 6 v6 with a 6 speed tranny. But I don't think it'll happen. I wouldn't care if it said MAzdaspeed on the back, I just want AWD and around 275hp. Heck, I'd probaby take a MS3 in AWD if they made it, but they just won't make it.

Have you considered the Infiniti G35x or G37x?
 
i don't know guys, I'm at a total loss as to what to get next. I've got ten months left on my lease, and there is nothing out there that compares to a MAzdaspeed 6 still. I thought about buying the car after the lease but she's off warranty and the buyout is way too high. I'm really disappointed in this new 6. Too big ,no manual in v6 and there's just something not right about it's styling. I don't mind the top of the line gt model with the larger wheels on it, but the rest of them just look unproportional somehow.

Mind you, I have very little interest in a MS3, as having a bigger car has spoiled me. But I don't need TOO BIG, and I think the new 6's are.

I don't see a new MS6 happening. They didn't sell well before, and I still don't think it was the cars fault, just poor advertising again by mazda. What do I get next? The legacy is too pricey up here, and it's interior doesn't impress me at all. MAtter of fact, all soobies look a little like a neon inside to me. AWD fusion....lol, I have no interest in a Ford. I have not fallen for this marketing hype that Ford is better these days...bulls***.

I'd almost settle for a AWD Mazda 6 v6 with a 6 speed tranny. But I don't think it'll happen. I wouldn't care if it said MAzdaspeed on the back, I just want AWD and around 275hp. Heck, I'd probaby take a MS3 in AWD if they made it, but they just won't make it.

Going from MS6 to 09 6S (g/f has one) isn't a bad move. It really doesn't feel any bigger, unless you're sitting in the back or using the trunk. I do, however, feel that the car has been watered down and strayed too far from its original ideas in this form.

There's not going to be a new MS6, and that was basically killed from the start, when the USDM and JDM models aren't the same. AAI in Flat Rock most likely won't build one on the new platform.

To the OP, I wouldn't count out the Fusion Sport AWD. If you can live with the auto, it's a really solid car. I think before you trash any vehicle, drive one. I was surprised in how it responded, and it reminded me of an MS6 without the 6-speed manual.

The 3.7 V6 has a very linear response, and the car has plenty of pickup in any gear. The downside is the seemingly awful gas mileage compared to its counterparts. That hurts their chances to sell in volume like the Accord and Camry. The 4-cyl has good get up, but won't win over too many hearts, and the 17" wheels are hideous IMO. The car in V6 Touring or GT trim looks fantastic though. Again, the downside here is the way the packages are grouped. Almost every available package for a car is $1500+!

I'm not saying the new 6 is a bad car, but after driving one more and more, it's strayed away from what I consider to be the direction I thought Mazda should have went in. I would consider one for a sporty family car in the Mazda family, but past that, there are other options out there.
 
there's no reason why they couldn't release a awd 3 or 6 though. They have the drivetrain. I think that it would do well IF ADVERTISED PROPERLY here in Canada and in other northern area's. It doesn't have to be a Mazdaspeed. I remember when the 2010 was originally announce that there were rumors of a AWD version coming later.
Advvertisement is an epic fail for Mazda and always has been. I have NEVER ran into anyone that knew that my car was AWD. Only ran into a few in the last decade that even heard of a Mazdaspeed. That the way it's been since I bought my MP3 in 01'. GRanted the MS3 has changed that a little and at least die hard car fanatics are getting more familiar with the Mazdaspeed lineup but that is a very niche market. AWD does't need to be a niche market. Its the single reason why I bought this car over a MS3, and it's the only reason why I never left Mazda the last time and went to Subaru anyways. Now when I mention my car is AWD to someone they get all interested and want one too until I tell them they don't make it anymore......go buy a Soobie instead.
 
there's no reason why they couldn't release a awd 3 or 6 though. They have the drivetrain. I think that it would do well IF ADVERTISED PROPERLY here in Canada and in other northern area's. It doesn't have to be a Mazdaspeed. I remember when the 2010 was originally announce that there were rumors of a AWD version coming later.
Advvertisement is an epic fail for Mazda and always has been. I have NEVER ran into anyone that knew that my car was AWD. Only ran into a few in the last decade that even heard of a Mazdaspeed. That the way it's been since I bought my MP3 in 01'. GRanted the MS3 has changed that a little and at least die hard car fanatics are getting more familiar with the Mazdaspeed lineup but that is a very niche market. AWD does't need to be a niche market. Its the single reason why I bought this car over a MS3, and it's the only reason why I never left Mazda the last time and went to Subaru anyways. Now when I mention my car is AWD to someone they get all interested and want one too until I tell them they don't make it anymore......go buy a Soobie instead.

It comes down to cost and sales. Would the AWD be a large enough portion of sales to justify the extra tooling needed? Probably not. In EU/Japan, they already had an AWD 6, so pulling the system for the MS6 wasn't that difficult. In the US, we never had that option. We won't have that option for the new one.

In a way, I feel like the MS6 is equivalent to a 'poor man's Acura/Audi'. It's got AWD, plenty of power, and a sporty setup right out of the box. Priced at $30K before rebates, and the car was cheaper and performed well for what you got.
 
I can say this, everywhere I go these days I see a Fusion Awd. Their everywhere here! Snow country that is why and unlike the ms6, the public here all seem to know the fusion is awd. Guess that little awd badge on the trunk works
 
no ms6...
there is no point of having a turbo v4 when it produces the same amount of power as the v6
unless mazda decides to make a turbo for their v6 then it would come out but that would take a lot of effort and may not sell due to the economy being down

its not a v4, its a inline 4. nobody really makes a v4.

and yes there are lots of reasons of having a turbo over a straight v6.
number 1 is that emissions are alot smaller since it reuses the air. cleaner air otherwise.
#2 the turbo will give you that extra kick in the pants feel, as the v6 will give you a more linear power output.

yeah but they do give about the same power output. but still the turbo mazdaspeed 6 is AWD, and i dont consider a FWD anymore, and like what he^^^said, no manual in the v6 so you can forget it, and still has about 25 ft-pnds less torque. I would love to race a v6 mazda 6 in my speed 6, would be a fun test.
 
My girlfriend and I have goofed around taking off from lights. There's no contest between the two. The MS6 still walks all over it from a dig. From a roll, I can't see it being much different.
 
^ nice man, yeah i bet from a dead stop, it would woop ass the ms6 that is. But yeah from a roll, it wouldnt be too much different. ms6 a tad lighter and alittle more torque, but its awd which slows it down from a roll. But i would still think the ms 6 would pull a tad from a roll if you were to drop a gear????? no....... thats cool that you and your girlfriend have 2 6's. i wish mine did lol.
 
Love The Looks of My 2009 Mazda 6 Grand Touring

Wonder what the device is below the headlights in the above pictured 6.
Perhaps, a headlight wash system.
Not available on my '09.

Just got it washed to day and it looks great.

Someone stopped me at asked my how I liked my Lexus.... ;-)
 
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