I'm with you. Not ugly. Just not athletic and lithe like the previous gen. Only thing I like better is the new motor. The interior is nicer too but heck, the MS6 interior is very nice also.
What do u think about the new 2009 Mazda 6?
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I'm with you. Not ugly. Just not athletic and lithe like the previous gen. Only thing I like better is the new motor. The interior is nicer too but heck, the MS6 interior is very nice also.
As far as looks, I personally think the new Six is preeeetttyy boring... I mean, I'd almost say I'm 'meh' when it comes to it, but it's almost closer to 'ugh'. The front looks terrible; the spacer is hideous and the headlights make me cringe. And personally I think the MS6's front is one of its best features; the back on the other hand is pretty medicore. But the new Six's rear end is almost an improvement, if it looked a little less fat and had different tail lights.
I guess I shouldn't even really talk because I'm pretty biased... there's no possible way I would have even considered a new 6 performance wise either. No AWD... No manual in the V6... Worse gas mileage...
I bet it doesn't even sound like a vaccuum cleaner on steroids, either!
I guess I shouldn't even really talk because I'm pretty biased... there's no possible way I would have even considered a new 6 performance wise either. No AWD... No manual in the V6... Worse gas mileage...
I bet it doesn't even sound like a vaccuum cleaner on steroids, either!
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on the internet and commercials the 6 looks nice.
in person omg WTF, looks like crap compared to the older version.
only thing i like is the rear opening up like a hatch back and it retains the sedan look. i like it for stereo reasons, easy to get loud lol
in person omg WTF, looks like crap compared to the older version.
only thing i like is the rear opening up like a hatch back and it retains the sedan look. i like it for stereo reasons, easy to get loud lol
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in the ads it looks like a (barely) mini Lexus LS460
in person :wtf:
maybe I just need to see one with all the option / appearance packages
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600whp - 600wtq at 30 PSI
The new 6 will never look as good as the MS6, not until they come out with some sick Mazdaspeed Edition, until then is a POS.,..
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ms6 ftw! don't need to do much and it will look hot. new 6 u need to spend more benjamins to make it look hot, if that's even possible lol.
Obviously looks are subjective so I won't try to convince anyone of anything there. I will, however, submit exhibit A for your viewing... MT did a nice job providing various pics of the 2 generations and, although the MS6 isn't represented, that's really not that big of a deal. In fact, one can easily make the argument that, with it's fugly snowflake wheels, chintzy honeycomb hideout grille and notable lack of side sills, the non-ms6 actually looked better. But again, that's debateable...
anyway...
http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0805_2009_mazda6_comparison_gallery/photo_01.html
Personally... how anyone can say the previous gen looks better is beyond me. It's not even close. And yes.. I've seen one in person.
Inside the margin is even larger imo. The previous gen's interior, frankly, sucked ass. Granted, it was circa 2002 so Mazda gets a pass... I guess. But compared to its competition (namely the Legacy/LGT & Jetta/Jetta GLI) it couldn't hold a candle.
So a redesign was more than in order. While its far too big for my taste... for those who actually need a backseat, I imagine the extra room is welcome. While the styling inside and out is subjective, the quality of the interior is not. Hands down, this new gen is superior to the old in this regard.
Now granted... it's a bit unfair to compare an MS6 to a new 6. However, all things being equal, I'd take the new car over the MS6 in a hearbeat. AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option. But I digress...
You all can think whatever you like but... at least try to have an open mind. Compared to its competition, (Altima, Camry, Accord, etc.) this car imo is the best looking. If it drives as well as it looks then Mazda has another winner on its hands.
anyway...
http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0805_2009_mazda6_comparison_gallery/photo_01.html
Personally... how anyone can say the previous gen looks better is beyond me. It's not even close. And yes.. I've seen one in person.
Inside the margin is even larger imo. The previous gen's interior, frankly, sucked ass. Granted, it was circa 2002 so Mazda gets a pass... I guess. But compared to its competition (namely the Legacy/LGT & Jetta/Jetta GLI) it couldn't hold a candle.
So a redesign was more than in order. While its far too big for my taste... for those who actually need a backseat, I imagine the extra room is welcome. While the styling inside and out is subjective, the quality of the interior is not. Hands down, this new gen is superior to the old in this regard.
Now granted... it's a bit unfair to compare an MS6 to a new 6. However, all things being equal, I'd take the new car over the MS6 in a hearbeat. AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option. But I digress...
You all can think whatever you like but... at least try to have an open mind. Compared to its competition, (Altima, Camry, Accord, etc.) this car imo is the best looking. If it drives as well as it looks then Mazda has another winner on its hands.
I completely agree. If I were buying right now, it would be the new 6 no question. And from all available reports, it does drive as good as it looks and the interior and engine are leagues ahead of the old model (except the MS6) BUT...... I'd still take an MS6 over a new 6 for the following reasons:
1. The new car is simply too big. I know why they did it and it makes sense from a business standpoint, but the last gen car was the perfect size for a sporty saloon
2. While the new 6 is a good looking car, the front half of the car puts me off. From the 3/4 rear and straight on rear view, it looks great, but the front end looks bulbous and unfinished. Like it's like a fat RX-8 and just doesn't work for me.
So the MS6 combination of above average interior, AWD traction (not only in winter but wet weather situations) and better styling and proportions (despite its hump nose) still win me over. If only I wasn't so wary of turbocharged engines.........
AWD in the MS6 borders on useless? WTF? Dood, I drive in REAL winters, in REAL snow, the MS6 is hands down the best sedan I've driven in snow because of it's AWD. Is the reason why I bought it, and it's the reason why my next car will also be AWD.
The MS6's AWD is a great compromise. I dont' need full time AWD, I need it when it counts, otherwise it's only wasting gas. Ideally I'd like to have a button to turn it on and off myself, but to call it pointless, come on. Come up here and watch all of the FWD MS3's in the winter stuck on hills and snow banks while the MS6's are passing SUV's on hill and getting better mileage to boot.
What I said was...
"AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option."
Note the use of the word 'most'. Since most people do not live up in Newfoundland where there are 'real' winters... again, awd can border on pointless or hell... maybe even useless! lol
I live in CT where we too get real snow. (granted, nowhere near as much as you I'm sure) But even then... these trucks with plows come by and wipe it away.
But let's drill down further...
Here in CT snowfall, on average, begins early-mid December and ends... let's say March. So that's 4 months... 120 days. Now, of those days how many actual legit snowstorms do we typically get? Around here... I'd estimate maybe a half dozen or so. Doesn't seem like a lot when you say it but... when it's happening... and you're breaking your back shoveling... and yes, driving through it... it psychologically seems like it's more than it is.
So we've got the 6 snowstorms... Of those, how many are occuring on weekdays when you "have" to drive. It's a reasonable guess to say 4/6 occur on weekdays. Now assuming the snow is coming down hard (meaning the plows haven't had a chance to get it off the ground as you're driving through it) while you're either driving to and/or back from work... then yeah, awd is nice to have. Will you 360 your way through every turn on your way to a firey blaze of death in a fwd car? of course not... but obviously 4 driven wheels are better than 2. (but let's not forget that awd only helps you go.. not stop.)
Back to the analysis... even if there is snow... a lot of snow... on the roads as you're driving those 4 times a year... it's still... 4 times an F'in year! lol (here anyway) Nice to have... but borderline pointless given the amount it actually serves its purpose.
Granted, that was based on my experience here in CT. But realize that, while CT might not be Alaska... it sure as hell aint FL either. At least half the country barely gets any snow... if any at all. So for them, awd cars (in terms of their safety benefits) aren't even borderline pointless... they're simply pointless! I know I know... you're gonna throw rain at me or some s***. lol But that's just BS...
But to your point... if I lived up there... hell yeah I'd have an awd car. and the MS6, crazy clutch and all, would be on my shortlist for sure.
"AWD is over-rated and the fwd biased version found in the MS6 is borderline pointless for most. (all it does is add extra weight and provide added security for the .001% time of the year when you may need to pull out of some snow or something) As the MS3 showed... fwd can actually be a better option."
Note the use of the word 'most'. Since most people do not live up in Newfoundland where there are 'real' winters... again, awd can border on pointless or hell... maybe even useless! lol
I live in CT where we too get real snow. (granted, nowhere near as much as you I'm sure) But even then... these trucks with plows come by and wipe it away.
But let's drill down further...
Here in CT snowfall, on average, begins early-mid December and ends... let's say March. So that's 4 months... 120 days. Now, of those days how many actual legit snowstorms do we typically get? Around here... I'd estimate maybe a half dozen or so. Doesn't seem like a lot when you say it but... when it's happening... and you're breaking your back shoveling... and yes, driving through it... it psychologically seems like it's more than it is.
So we've got the 6 snowstorms... Of those, how many are occuring on weekdays when you "have" to drive. It's a reasonable guess to say 4/6 occur on weekdays. Now assuming the snow is coming down hard (meaning the plows haven't had a chance to get it off the ground as you're driving through it) while you're either driving to and/or back from work... then yeah, awd is nice to have. Will you 360 your way through every turn on your way to a firey blaze of death in a fwd car? of course not... but obviously 4 driven wheels are better than 2. (but let's not forget that awd only helps you go.. not stop.)
Back to the analysis... even if there is snow... a lot of snow... on the roads as you're driving those 4 times a year... it's still... 4 times an F'in year! lol (here anyway) Nice to have... but borderline pointless given the amount it actually serves its purpose.
Granted, that was based on my experience here in CT. But realize that, while CT might not be Alaska... it sure as hell aint FL either. At least half the country barely gets any snow... if any at all. So for them, awd cars (in terms of their safety benefits) aren't even borderline pointless... they're simply pointless! I know I know... you're gonna throw rain at me or some s***. lol But that's just BS...
But to your point... if I lived up there... hell yeah I'd have an awd car. and the MS6, crazy clutch and all, would be on my shortlist for sure.
The AWD system works, whether on dry, sandy, wet, or snowy roads. Sure there are few times when you truely need it, and it defaults to 90/10 which isn't RWD-oversteer-enducing-biased...but there are few times people truely need an SUV that seats 9...but people drive them because they have 4WD. Yep.
You've got a point with the clutch issue...which is partially fixed with the TSB...but if you are comparing AWD to AWD, the system is just as effective as any other system out there on any road condition. Once it detects slippage it takes control. Plus the MS6 is cheaper and faster than comparably equipped sedans from Audi, BMW, and Subaru. So its a win-win as far as I can tell...especially when it only takes one snowy afternoon passing cars stuck on hills and in parking lots to justify the AWD.
You've got a point with the clutch issue...which is partially fixed with the TSB...but if you are comparing AWD to AWD, the system is just as effective as any other system out there on any road condition. Once it detects slippage it takes control. Plus the MS6 is cheaper and faster than comparably equipped sedans from Audi, BMW, and Subaru. So its a win-win as far as I can tell...especially when it only takes one snowy afternoon passing cars stuck on hills and in parking lots to justify the AWD.
fair enough.
as for out winters: I think this was Winter 2006, sometime in March i think, this was our old/first home. I say that because the car isn't full of ice, so it must have been late March or Early April as it doesn't look too cold.
And yes, that is all snow, and that is common every year up here. We don't shut down for "storms" that other places get, we go to work in that. When we shut down for a storm, trust me, it's a STORM.
It's nothing for me, in january, feb, etc, to get up and see snow up to my door handles, and have to shovel the car out, and still have to go to work in it. I'm not talking 6 time a winter either, I'm talking a few times a week.
Our first snow fall is usually Halloween, it'll stay around for a week or so and we won't see anything major for a while after that. Although we have already had hail, and a few snow flakes for a few mins a couple of weeks ago. That is not common at all, especially hail. . TRaditionally, our winters used to be from Oct-April. And last Winter was exactly that. But 05/06, we never even had snow on the ground until after new years. Regardless, Once January hits....look out.
another picture, might be same year, and look at my front wheels. Total ice jam entire winter. That MSP with good studs on it, done ok in snow, but it just spun the wheels all the time. Deep snow, forget it.
The MS6, there are days I've come out in the morning, and being lazy, didn't shovel anything but the drive side door just so I could get in, and even with snow up over the very front of the car, she plows though it. I don't have studs on my MS6 - Don't need em. I can't say I've done that much though. I almost always snow blow the drive way before I leave to work.
Moral of Story. My car needs to be AWD. So no AWD MS6, no purchase for me.
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lynnriderm6
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i love the new 6 it pushs out as much hp as the ms6 but i love the awd of the ms6 and i love boost i love the feeling of when boost hits and it puts you in the back of your seat..:O
I had a choice between getting the new 6 or a used Speed 6 after my 07 Speed6 was totalled a couple months ago. The new body style is okay, & the increased size would be good for the family, but.....
I love my Speed 6 so much because it allows me to have my cake & eat it too! The AWD is awesome, not only in inclement weather or wet roads & such, but in everyday driving, cornering, acceleration & control. I drove the new 6, but it failed to excite me, yawn. I love how the turbo pushes you back in your seat under hard acceleration. Also, no stick for the new V6 sucks, which meant I would have to downgrade to a regular 4cyl to get a stick. It simply was too much of a trade off. I opted for a certified pre-owned 06 Speed6 just in off a 2 year lease.
I'll wait a few years for the next Speed6, then I'll trade up to the 2nd Gen. Until then, Speed6 wins hands down!! (drive2)
I love my Speed 6 so much because it allows me to have my cake & eat it too! The AWD is awesome, not only in inclement weather or wet roads & such, but in everyday driving, cornering, acceleration & control. I drove the new 6, but it failed to excite me, yawn. I love how the turbo pushes you back in your seat under hard acceleration. Also, no stick for the new V6 sucks, which meant I would have to downgrade to a regular 4cyl to get a stick. It simply was too much of a trade off. I opted for a certified pre-owned 06 Speed6 just in off a 2 year lease.
I'll wait a few years for the next Speed6, then I'll trade up to the 2nd Gen. Until then, Speed6 wins hands down!! (drive2)
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ideally it was said that the new 6 will have the same wheel base as the Lincoln MKS which is based on the CD3 platform as well.
Also it was said that the new 6 will be slightly bigger then the Camery, but still smaller then the class size leading Honda Accord.
Also it was said that the new 6 will be slightly bigger then the Camery, but still smaller then the class size leading Honda Accord.
