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[Kooldino]

How do the Honda guys retard the boost? You said 1.5 deg. per psi. That sounds about right. How would a person add this capability to the MSP? Perhaps a MSD boost retard type thing or ????

A good piggyback or standalone will allow you to modify or control timing as needed.

Please see attached.

 

[hotrodf1]

A good piggyback or standalone will allow you to modify or control timing as needed.

Please see attached.

So, does the Stock MSP computer retard the timing with boost or no?

That's what I'm talkin about. What system is that?

On the load deflection, how does that correlate to boost?

 

[Kooldino]

So, does the Stock MSP computer retard the timing with boost or no?

Well, the MSP computer doesn't know "boost" persay, so it sets timing based on throttle position, RPM, MAF, etc.

That's what I'm talkin about. What system is that?

SMT-6

On the load deflection, how does that correlate to boost?

Load deflection is simply throttle position.

 

[hotrodf1]

Well, the MSP computer doesn't know "boost" persay, so it sets timing based on throttle position, RPM, MAF, etc.

Load deflection is simply throttle position.

Really - So is it possible to install a MSD boost retard box, that would intercept the signal to the coils and delay timing based on boost? On my camaro, this kind of control sure is MUCH easier to accomplish. Ignition box does it all.

But I know there's some stuff they can do for the late model camaro and birds that have EFI. gotta be something we can do here without resorting to Haltech, etc. Too much GREEN for me.

Wait a minute, isn't there a limited run SplitSecond AFC that had timing retard??

Maybe I should talk to MSD . . .

 

[Kooldino]

Really - So is it possible to install a MSD boost retard box, that would intercept the signal to the coils and delay timing based on boost? On my camaro, this kind of control sure is MUCH easier to accomplish. Ignition box does it all.

That's basically what the SMT-6 does.

Wait a minute, isn't there a limited run SplitSecond AFC that had timing retard??

Not sure.

Maybe I should talk to MSD . . .

Give it a shot, but last I checked, their box wasn't compatible with our setup.

 

[Fudgie]

Pretty sure the msd set-up doesn't work with multiple coil systems.

 

[hotrodf1]

I did check the website a little. The standard timing retard box wont' get it done. But I did see something else that talked about dual coil setups from Crane cams I think - but there's so limited info on the web about that one. Dunno if it'd work or not.

 

[Scott]

Hate to say it but there is nothing "low price" about modding the MSP's. The only true turbo-back exhaust costs nearly $1000, at one point in time the only aftfermarket exhaust manifold available cost above $1000 (there are now two new manifold designs being persued by members) and most FMIC kits go for about $1000. These are not Hondas, we don't have the nearly infinite aftermarket Honda does. With that being said it isn't impossible to have and MSP put down good numbers - it just takes lots of time, money an effort.

Not all aftermarket Honda stuff is cheap.

With that said, the key to making power on any car is in the tuning. Mechanically, it's all available. And as we've seen, there defenitely are people out there with Protege's that can move in a flash. But the hang-up seems to be with not enough people having experience tuning the FS-motor to get the most possible power out of it reliabily and predictably.

 

[hotrodf1]

How hard would it be to use a Megasquirt system on these cars? They are versatile enough to tune to the max.

I guess that would move the car into a more racecar orientation, though.

 

[msp35]

I think MSP#735 had it up and running a T3/T4 on his MSP. for less than $500 IIRC.

 

[lisevolution]

I believe there are a couple of people running a megasquirt set-up on here... I was looking into that a few years ago for my MX-6 but decided to junk rather than rebuild and boost...

If you contact DSM Convert, he did make a run with timing retard capability for an extra cost, send him a pm he may have some more left or be able to get you a one-off

 

[SilversunMSP]

I thought the same thing about the MSP being underpowered and hard to mod when I took my test drive... then I took a corner at 45mph, OMG! It's not designed as a go-fast FWD, if that what it was for we'd be driving SRT-4, and then we would all be dead after trying to turn a corner and brake with those tiny ass brakes. The MSP is a nice all-rounder. You can get more power from the 2.0 but remember the other systems as well.

 

[jeffmsp]

maybe you guys just need to learn how to drive. I just walked on a rx8 in my near stock msp @ 8psi and a turboback. a few tricks and the msp is a fast car, just dont waste money on stupid things and its plenty fast. SEE THREAD "13s for $1000 or less" if you dont believe me.

 

[jeffmsp]

626 IM $200
catless DP $250
AFC $300
Reworked turbo $300

= $1050 and a really balanced car that would eat an srt4 or the rsx for breakfast. just know how to spend your money. Lots of people waste $300 on an intake, $700 on an exhaust and guess what you run 14.5 and have no control of your motor. What a waste. smarten up msp community.

 

[18sOnAiR]

Link please

 

[jeffmsp]

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123617152&highlight=13s+$1000