War Against IRAQ...FOR or AGAINST
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I think we will end up fighting...
I wish we didn't have to, but I think we will. If the UN doesn't step up and show some backbone now, with Saddam blatantly violating the UN's order, every little piss-ant country with an AK47 in it will think they can get away with whatever they want... I don't think the Al Qaieda connection should make any difference, I think iraq's blatant violations of the Conditions of the resolution (1741, I think is the number) against them should though...
I wish we didn't have to, but I think we will. If the UN doesn't step up and show some backbone now, with Saddam blatantly violating the UN's order, every little piss-ant country with an AK47 in it will think they can get away with whatever they want... I don't think the Al Qaieda connection should make any difference, I think iraq's blatant violations of the Conditions of the resolution (1741, I think is the number) against them should though...
Yeah it is touchy for some people. They are called non americans. This does not just have to do with Iraqs links to terrorists. It has to do with Saddam Huessein and his blatant denial to follow UN directives. The connections to terrorism are secondary. I mean Saddam has missels in his arsenal right now that exceed the UN allowable range. They may not be nuclear but it is just one of many cases in which saddam is not obeying the UN. I could really get into this one but I am going to let more people respond. The one thing that really does it for me is the thought of the day of Sept 11th and all of those people dancing in the streets in the middle east cheering and burning our flag. I mean sept 11th was an abominationof evil against the world and more specifically against us as americans. people died that day of every race, religion, age, social and economic background, both innocent and guilty. And here you have people dancing and celebrating the death of more than 40,000 people. that would be like throwing a party outside of hitlers Concentration camps after a mass execution. It is just not right. As far as I am concerned I would be fine to bomb the entire country until nothing was left. Give people time up front and say your country is being destroyed, If you don't want to fight for it or are not part of an insane religion then leave. the US could setup camps to take in these people and also weed through those just trying to escape. Then on a given date meticulously and methodically bomb every square inch of earth called iraq and afghanistan.
TECHNICAL 5
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Man i dont care what happens as long as a bomb does'nt land in my backyard.I just want the damn Gas prices to go down cause this s*** is getting outta hand. $1.75 for regular, you gotta be ******* kidding me Bush.:mad: The problem with this country is that its always in somebodys ******* business,they want to build bombs let em. Maybe they'll blow themselves to hell for all i care. Just dont point them towards the USA or you got a ******* problem.(getsome) (guns) Ok im done with the political nonsense.
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Oh i almost forgot. Bush Senior should of dropped a HYDRO bomb on Saddam during Desert Storm but noooooooooo.Now Saddams running around thinking he can do whatever the **** he wants when he should have been wacked already. If we dont step up and show him what the deal is who knows what hes got up his sleeve.Im with Funwagon. Bomb the s*** out of them take over all the oil and televise us partying and s*** like they do for Sept 11th those ******* bastards.:mad: I hope to get drafted cause i will get my vengeance on all who disgrace the USA. Just put me behind the 50 cal and its all good. :mad: RATATATATAT RATATATAT:mad:
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Ha Ha, I only pay $1.31
We should run around the streets burning the Iraqi flag and fake Sadams and act like the underachieving uneducated Neandrathals we saw on tv Sept 11 and hold up pictures of Bush like he is the supreme ruler. Oh wait. I don't have to worship my president or be killed. I have freedom. Yah , thats why they hate us, simple 3rd grade Jealousy. We have it, they don't understand it. God Bless America. Yes I can believe in God too.
DooMer_MP3
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I think we have far more important issues to solve WITHIN OUR BORDERS (economy and such) than to go pissing on some country who *might* someday have nuclear weapons and who *might* be supplying terrorists information.
Whether we care to admit it or not, by attacking Iraq, we will just increase the hatred others have of our country and our policies. If we go into Iraq, I am willing to bet another 9/11-like attack will happen in a few years. Its sad really
. But whatever, our cowboy of a president has his own motives and would rather go in guns blazing...
Oh, and I'd be willing to pay $4 for a gallon of gas knowing that we wouldn't have to depend on oil from countries that hate us. Then I'd also own a bike, losing weight and looking beautiful in the process
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Whether we care to admit it or not, by attacking Iraq, we will just increase the hatred others have of our country and our policies. If we go into Iraq, I am willing to bet another 9/11-like attack will happen in a few years. Its sad really
. But whatever, our cowboy of a president has his own motives and would rather go in guns blazing...Oh, and I'd be willing to pay $4 for a gallon of gas knowing that we wouldn't have to depend on oil from countries that hate us. Then I'd also own a bike, losing weight and looking beautiful in the process
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Yes, we do have issues here. But, we cannot focus entirely on our own nation as the global economy depends us, and we on it. The symbiotic relationship that has developed over the past several years in the global economy demands action in Iraq in order for us to do the simple things, such as focus on OUR nation...
A stance of neutrality has lead us being pulled into conflict a few times in the past. The US has do take a stand now and nip this crap in bud. Standing by on the sidelines like France, Germany and China will not solve the problem.
Saddam is never going to do what the UN wants. He will continue to be an unstablizing force in the mid east until something is done.
I would love to get oil from sources in the US, but those damn liberal pussies won't allow it, and so we have to depend on cheaper, foreign oil.
If you can't guess, I am for it. And, I will most likely be going to be sent if something happens
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A stance of neutrality has lead us being pulled into conflict a few times in the past. The US has do take a stand now and nip this crap in bud. Standing by on the sidelines like France, Germany and China will not solve the problem.
Saddam is never going to do what the UN wants. He will continue to be an unstablizing force in the mid east until something is done.
I would love to get oil from sources in the US, but those damn liberal pussies won't allow it, and so we have to depend on cheaper, foreign oil.
If you can't guess, I am for it. And, I will most likely be going to be sent if something happens
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Well sounds like some people on here are doing their homework. Glad to see so many people that are informed about the war. I have been discussing it with my roommate and friends and also at work. As far as a work stand point the war is exactly what we need. You see we are a Jones Act carrier and therefore the govt. could take all of our boats to ship supplies on and they would have to pay us 2 and 1/2 time the going rate. It is very similiar to the Federal Avitation Reserve Act that was set into motion on friday. It is no longer a question of are we going to war or aren't we. I mean stealth fighters and bombers have already been sent over. Troops are shipping out every day. The question is just when and how. My hope is that Bush lives up to his cowboy ways and brings it like a real texan should. Loud and Proud! I mean the US has not retaliated one single time for the Sept 11th attacks. Yeah so they arrested a bunch of people(Uhh they were in the country so now there in jail) But Bush has used great restraint in not seeking revenge for that day. And this whole deal with Nato not supporting us is just a load of SH@T. I mean how many years ago did we lose thousands of americans to free those countries. It was a little event called World War 2. The problem is that there has not been a major conflict like that in our generation. The people in power today forget what lengths the united states has gone to to help keep the world a as was said above sybiotic relationship going. We were smart enough to realize that we can't run it alone and that we don't have everything so there has to be trade and to be trade there can't be constant war. Anyways I could fill this whole page so I'll quit for now and let some one else have a turn.
I'll comment on only a little part of this whole fiasco; Whenever the French have a decision to make on whether or not to support the US (and the UN), they should take a look at the thousands of little white crosses, and stars of david above the US soldiers buried in the ground, who sacrifieced their lives for the freedom of France as well as the rest of the free world. I could type for days on all this stuff, but it would only get me more frustrated.
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deepcover6
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I will save what I really want to say to you in response to that. Just becaue you don't understand the reasons behind it doesn't mean that it is wrong. While political cartoons are there to make light of the situation they are still based on a single persons opinion ...The Artist. Half of the battle is being informed not just jumping on the bandwagon and agreeing with everything others are saying. This may sound bad and I will probably get flamed for it but you aren't American are you deepcover6? Maybe stereotyping but I read your comment and see Saalik al boost and make some pretty strong opinions about you. Nothing about your religion or personality just who you are. I mean I guess it is different for those of us born here knowing freedom since the moment we entered this world but don't hate us for the opportunity we have been given. Not trying to start something but it just really pisses me off when important topics like this just get played off on cartoons or stereotypes of politics or so on.
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"Just becaue you don't understand the reasons behind it doesn't mean that it is wrong. While political cartoons are there to make light of the situation they are still based on a single persons opinion ...The Artist"
Here is a second opinion if you think there is only one.. http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_feb9.html
and many more to follow if you would like...
"but you aren't American are you deepcover6"
(lol)Ha, hah I got to laugh at this one...typical response if you don't agree...Little do you know...but anyhow it is not about my nationality or my origin or my faith...it is about war and the reasons for it...
Another naive comment..."I mean I guess it is different for those of us born here knowing freedom since the moment we entered this world but don't hate us for the opportunity we have been given."
What is this word freedom...I wasn't born with shackles on my mind or my physical self. All of us are given an opportunity and we make the choices wherever we live....nothing special about the choices here in the states...then if it were overseas...Purely economical difference. No they don't hate your freeeeeedom...hah, hah...They hate what restricts theirs...Mind you I am not justifying what their reactoins have been lately...That in itslef has defeated their own cause.
'Not trying to start something but it just really pisses me off when important topics like this just get played off on cartoons or stereotypes of politics or so on."
Not mad at ya bro....I am not making light of the current dilemma but sharing a different opinion....I am sure there is room for that in this so called freedom right!??
Here is a second opinion if you think there is only one.. http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_feb9.html
and many more to follow if you would like...
"but you aren't American are you deepcover6"
(lol)Ha, hah I got to laugh at this one...typical response if you don't agree...Little do you know...but anyhow it is not about my nationality or my origin or my faith...it is about war and the reasons for it...
Another naive comment..."I mean I guess it is different for those of us born here knowing freedom since the moment we entered this world but don't hate us for the opportunity we have been given."
What is this word freedom...I wasn't born with shackles on my mind or my physical self. All of us are given an opportunity and we make the choices wherever we live....nothing special about the choices here in the states...then if it were overseas...Purely economical difference. No they don't hate your freeeeeedom...hah, hah...They hate what restricts theirs...Mind you I am not justifying what their reactoins have been lately...That in itslef has defeated their own cause.
'Not trying to start something but it just really pisses me off when important topics like this just get played off on cartoons or stereotypes of politics or so on."
Not mad at ya bro....I am not making light of the current dilemma but sharing a different opinion....I am sure there is room for that in this so called freedom right!??
it is true that bush has showed restraint post 9-11. but perhaps you missed out on the bombardment that afghanistan was dealt. perhaps you forgot about the manhunt for osama bin laden? so instead of focusing his efforts on finding and prosecuting osama, bush is going after saddam. sure, he's not obeying the UN. neither is north korea or cuba. what about them? north korea has even showed us they are capable of making nukes. there is not one iota of solid evidence stating the same for iraq. colin powell did an admirable job of presenting evidence, however it falls short of being fully persuasive.
let's check the current situation in iraq: the UN as a collective body has opted to keep the inspectors in iraq at least for a little while longer so they can try and do their jobs. bush and blair wants war within "weeks." so is it not true that bush doesn't want to listen to the UN? interesting, isn't it?
let's check the current situation in iraq: the UN as a collective body has opted to keep the inspectors in iraq at least for a little while longer so they can try and do their jobs. bush and blair wants war within "weeks." so is it not true that bush doesn't want to listen to the UN? interesting, isn't it?
another point, unlike afghanistan, there is no clear replacement for saddam. karzi was exactly what the united states wanted in a replacement for the taliban. it is also interesting that the united states turned the other way while afghanistan was falling by the wayside under the rule of the taliban since 1996. how interesting is it that they opted to come in and restore "freedom" only after an attack on american soil was deemed barbaric. what about all those millions of people who suffered under the taliban? what about those thousand year old buddhist statues that were destroyed?
and i am sick of people saying: "if you are not for the war, you are against the united states" or "you are not an american because you think differently than bush"
what about the war in vietnam? were all those protesting people unpatriotic? the definition of freedom in the united states is to be able to not agree with the government. otherwise we will have a dictatorship.
and i am sick of people saying: "if you are not for the war, you are against the united states" or "you are not an american because you think differently than bush"
what about the war in vietnam? were all those protesting people unpatriotic? the definition of freedom in the united states is to be able to not agree with the government. otherwise we will have a dictatorship.
Man listen to yourself talk. If you have reasons or opinions then list them. But if you don't back it up then expect to get it chopped off at the wrist just like in Iraq. If you don't know what freedom is then you have some serious issues. I have traveled all over the world. Not because of my economic standing but because I sought out the opportunity and had a desire to see the world. The United States is vastly different from anything I have encountered anywhere in the world. Often times it is too easily taken for granted that just being able to walk out of our homes is a freedom. And the ability to have homes is another. I am not questioning your religion or your faith but I am questioning if you are an american. From the way you talk it doesn't sound like you are. i know plenty of americans that aren't like me and weren't born here and such but they all understand what freedoms the United states offers. As a matter of fact that is why most of them are here. Hey if you were born here you have even less of an excuse. I mean we are taught about america from day one in school. Try and realize this as well. America has come farther in the last 100 years than other countries have in the last 1000. Btw i am just debating the facts here and backing up my opinions and what I say with them. If you want to get personal then by all means I'll get off of your mom for five minutes and settle this like men. And if you can't see my sarcasm you can add blind to you list of attributes.
hey funwagon,
you say americans are taught about america and its freedoms from day one. this is so true... however, americans know less about america than does people in europe. real basic things, too... like when the declaration of independence was drafted, or when the revolutionary war was... or even when the civil war was. now that's sad.
when we attack iraq, who will suffer most? will it be saddam? i don't think so. according to the US's own laws passed during the Ford administration, anyone working for the united states government cannot assassinate a head of state. so what was bush's push for the CIA and special forces to go in and arrest saddam by any means necessary. (this came under fire from the senate (then majority democrat) because it did violate the law.) were these senators unpatriotic? were they not american? hmmmm... you gotta think some. don't follow like sheep.
you say americans are taught about america and its freedoms from day one. this is so true... however, americans know less about america than does people in europe. real basic things, too... like when the declaration of independence was drafted, or when the revolutionary war was... or even when the civil war was. now that's sad.
when we attack iraq, who will suffer most? will it be saddam? i don't think so. according to the US's own laws passed during the Ford administration, anyone working for the united states government cannot assassinate a head of state. so what was bush's push for the CIA and special forces to go in and arrest saddam by any means necessary. (this came under fire from the senate (then majority democrat) because it did violate the law.) were these senators unpatriotic? were they not american? hmmmm... you gotta think some. don't follow like sheep.
