VWvortex is putting us down!!!

[Airmack]

I drove both and obviously I went with the better of the two cars... Otherwise, I'd look like one of the jackasses on their forum... VW is a fad, some yeas its good, others it sucks... Look at Mazda, putting out serious cars all the time (RX7, Miataspeed, RX8, Mazdaspeed6, Mazdaspeed3). All in all, you can't compare the snobby look of a VW to the look of a monster of a car like a MS3...

How can they even compare the two cars performance wise? The GTI is being compared to cars like the Civic SI and Tiburon, whereas our car is being compared to the big dogs like the WRX and even the EVO and STI...

I say **** them and their nicht Deutsch sprecken azel's (my German is rusty).

 

[justa4banger]

I traded my Very reliable VW after 7 years of service. I had a few issues , MAF, Dash cluster, and last feb VW had to replace the motor (timing chain broke) . I loved the car. it was truely a mistake to get rid of the car. It had a new motor clutch and never gave me trouble, but i got bored with the car.
My wife and i went gave the new VW a good chance. She drove both the MS3 and a new 4 door GTI (6 speed and DSG). We both agreed the DSG is to boring to drive and the 6 speed car wasn't much different. Also for a simliar packaged VW ,was going to have to pay 1500.00 more for the car over an MS3.

I even have a good buddy at the dealership and was going to cut me a good deal, but in the end i told him, and the sales manager, that the New GTI was boring. My wife doesn't care about cars but when she makes a comment that the MS3 was more fun to drive and seem to handle better for her, her comment has some weight. I had made up my mind that the MS3 was the car for me, but i let her tell me what she thought of the 2 cars. we drove them the same day back to back.

I like VW. i blessed to not have alot of eletrical issues and as hard as i was on the car i was surprised it lasted as long as it did.

in the end people will say what ever they believe is correct regardless of hard data.

 

[Hughes412]

These threads make me laugh. This place does the same thing to the SRT-4's.

 

[msp35]

Not reading this whole debate, but did anyone actually notice the date from that post? The last update was still back in October.

 

[SwampAss]

It's been my experience that Vortex is 90% tools and 10% invaluable members. I've leaned on some people there for tech help that were above and beyond knowledgeable. I've seen enough douchebags there to never make me want to go back.

 

[SwampAss]

hahahaha assholes! Thanks for making me rebump a 5 month old thread.

 

[ReFlex]

blame that on me!!

 

[SwampAss]

I blame ReFlex

 

[ReFlex]

bastard!!

 

[slammie]

yeah, like me. I bought the Protege because I have a large penis.

Obviously! I mean look how tight her fist is clenched....

 

[MKV252]

Guys even thou i didn't read through the whole thread, it seems to me that people on the VW forum is putting us down(nothing new). We have to stand up to these guys and put our foot down and tell them who is right. They may be right about some things but not all. Lets throw one back at them for fun.

Link is http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2871340

you are a freakn idiot my friend. first of all the GTI has much nicer interior and they arent bashing in any way. all they are doing is helping some guy out in helping him purchase a new car. ur an idiot, no bashing in any way.

 

[hellcat]

MS3 = Fast! GTI=not so fast!!!! Outcome....... MS3 > gti MAZDA FTW!!

 

[Hambino]

you are a freakn idiot my friend. first of all the GTI has much nicer interior and they arent bashing in any way. all they are doing is helping some guy out in helping him purchase a new car. ur an idiot, no bashing in any way.

I don't know what grammar is like in "make believe German car land" but please make an attempt to not look an idiot.

 

[vindication]

you are a freakn idiot my friend. first of all the GTI has much nicer interior and they arent bashing in any way. all they are doing is helping some guy out in helping him purchase a new car. ur an idiot, no bashing in any way.

I suggest you look in the mirror my friend

 

[Kansei]

No bashing in any way? They plainly just come out and say crap like "yeah but it's a mazda" or "yeah, but can you live with yourself owning a mazda", negative comparisons tying Mazda and Hyundai together, etc.

I sat in a nicely loaded (29k dollar) GTI (before the MS3 came out, last summer) and yeah.. I like the interior, but it's too plain for me. It's just a vast expanse of soft-touch black. Plus, the soft-touch stuff brings back horrible memories of the 95-97ish gen Passat door handles with crap flaking off. The 3's interior is much more modern, stylish, and elegant, a real standout in an economy car class (remember, the 3 starts at like 12k dollars, much less than the basest of base-model rabbits). The materials of the GTI felt nice, but they felt nice in the 3 too.

Yeah I'm a Mazda guy, but I'm not very biased because I don't like the Mazda3 (specifically the hatchback.. love the sedan), and I do like the GTI (hate the jetta though.. exterior styling in the rear is awful). The MS3 outclasses the GTI in terms of performance quite easily. Funny that it does it for less money too. The MZR 2.3 is a proven strong engine, even in the non direct injection form found in the Mazda5,6,3. People have made ricidulous power on stock engine internals, and the MS3 has forged rods and I believe forged pistons too. Plus, the DISI system gives them better detonation resistance. The shortcomings I see of the 3 are that it's hefty (3300 pounds.. crap my P5 is 2716 pounds, the 3 is a fatty) and probably less nimble than the GTI (assuming the GTI isn't hefty as well, I haven't driven one). The other concern is putting all that power through the front wheels, how was that a good idea? This all saddens me because I think Mazda strayed too far from Kansei Engineering and just tried to grab at the "boy-racer" SRT-4 kiddies.

In the end, they are both great cars. The GTI has questionable reliability, but cleaner, more subtle/mature styling. The MS3 will likely be rock-solid reliable like the 3 it shares 90+% of it's parts with, but strays too far from Mazda's typical agility and balanced driving dynamics. If you're a euro nut, the 3's interior is likely too loud for you.

Honestly I would probably choose the GTI, but I can't stand the plaid seats and I hate leather.. so I'd bail on both choices and probably just get a Mazdaspeed6 or something haha.

 

[jadonP5]

Chris actually the 3 starts at 14390 and the rabbit at 14990 , but anyhow....

this whole thread is pretty rediculous. back up to 10 years ago, and myself and a couple hundred people had a pretty great time talking everyday about the vw brand, and even had forum-wide meets in texas and other states that we all attended and had a blast. at some point the "scene" over there exploded, the name was sold to larger media enterprises, and the whole forum is entirely overexposed now. the same thing could happen on a forum like this. the amount of douchbaggery over there IS phenomenal, but I've seen PLENTY here too. we really can't be making fun of their members "tire-stretching" threads- that represents only certain member's styles. Would you want the vortex members to start a thread bashing Mazda Forum's underbody neon threads? It's the same thing. Why worry about what others talk about in their own group? It seems like a waste of time and energy/worry.

 

[ReFlex]

you are a freakn idiot my friend. first of all the GTI has much nicer interior and they arent bashing in any way. all they are doing is helping some guy out in helping him purchase a new car. ur an idiot, no bashing in any way.

OK I see the genius in you buddy...Just relax man, don't get all bent out of shape because you interpreted the whole thread completely WRONG...VWvortex.com are making remarks about a car that they don't have, I felt I should hear what you guys have to say in relate to what they assume...Instead of VW commenting on why people SHOULDN'T get the MS3 over the GTI, it ought to be why people SHOULD get the MS3 over the GTI...I know other forums have a different perception toward other things because of biases reason, but comparing a car by its flawlessness vs. imperfection is not the way to determine what car to purchase.

 

[jadonP5]

there are a bunch of threads comparing the ms3 to numerous other cars already as well as numerous threads which talk about its strong and weak points.

 

[Hambino]

Bottom line, VW's are bro-mobiles.

 

[maestro]

The shortcomings I see of the 3 are that it's hefty (3300 pounds.. crap my P5 is 2716 pounds, the 3 is a fatty)
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Ha, the 3 is a fatty!!
Funny but I do feel that way too. I love the heck out of my P5 (part of the reason I did not trade it in), the size and feel of the car. After buying the MS3 I could not, and still can't get over how big it feels. I parked the P5 (lowered on H&R springs 1.3") next to a lowered 3 ( don't recall his drop) and the P5 has a lower overall height. That 3 is about an inch or so lower than my MS3.
Daily driver will be my P5 for a long time. I do like the MS3 though but it would be cooler in a sedan. You guys getting this at Mazda??