Under development MSP product line

[RyanJayG]

yeah, even though there will be two configurations (at least in theory) people should rotate their compressor housing. it will just plain look better, and cleaner. but I suspect the dyno will show that it is more effective too.

but I totally understand the reason for thw two configurations. some people just wont want to clock it(or not be able to according to some racing class)


also, this probably wont be the cheapest FMIC on the market, but remember it will be the most complete, so weigh that against the cost.

 

[Brian MP5T]

Subscribing for PICS in the future...

 

[Focus]

I suspect the dyno will show that it is more effective too.

I don't think it will make much of a difference if any at all. Don't forget, under boost the whole system is pressurised.

 

[Brian MP5T]

Perhaps, he wanted to say that there will be less piping...

I agree with you, Boost Is Boost. As long as the heat in the charge is less, there will be some minimal HP gains...

 

[RyanJayG]

ah, this argument again... I suggest you read up on Bernoulli's principle, and pressure differentials... because at no point is a turbo system ever at STATIC pressure, except when the throttle body is closed.

 

[Brian MP5T]

In this context, you said that there should be significant dyno improvements. I was just pointing out that they might be impressive on paper more than on a dyno, not really massive.

 

[Focus]

ah, this argument again... I suggest you read up on Bernoulli's principle, and pressure differentials... because at no point is a turbo system ever at STATIC pressure, except when the throttle body is closed.

The relationship between the velocity and pressure exerted by a moving liquid is described by the Bernoulli's principle: as the velocity of a fluid increases, the pressure exerted by that fluid decreases.

WTF are you trying to say? When a turbo is turning, regardless if the throttle body is open or not, it is pressurized. It is a closed circuit, achieved by the compressor wheel turning.

The only thing I see happening is a very small difference MAYBE, because of less distance to travel.

 

[RyanJayG]

In this context, you said that there should be significant dyno improvements. I was just pointing out that they might be impressive on paper more than on a dyno, not really massive.

I said that? oh wait lemme look.....

nope, I said

but I suspect the dyno will show that it is more effective too.

 

[RyanJayG]

The relationship between the velocity and pressure exerted by a moving liquid is described by the Bernoulli's principle: as the velocity of a fluid increases, the pressure exerted by that fluid decreases.

WTF are you trying to say? When a turbo is turning, regardless if the throttle body is open or not, it is pressurized. It is a closed circuit, achieved by the compressor wheel turning.

The only thing I see happening is a very small difference MAYBE, because of less distance to travel.

every bend is a restriction to flow, regardless of piping diameter. and the system is never completely closed. ever hear of valve overlap? not to mention it is hapeneing x4

 

[RyanJayG]

let us drop this or move it to a different thread or PM's. this is about parts for MSP's

 

[Focus]

let us drop this or move it to a different thread or PM's. this is about parts for MSP's

No problem, sorry for the (jacked)

 

[Bhamsan]

I was just going to say to keep in mind, when hearing the total cost of this kit, that it comes with many options, including powdercoating, an HKS SSQV BOV, and choice of a CAI or SRI in addition to the FMIC, piping, couplers and clamps. I'm expecting it to be in the $1400 range, which would be on par with a PErrin FMIC without a flange or BOV. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised with this one.

 

[Mental Addiction]

Just for rough numbers, every 90* bend shows a 2% pressure drop.Now if you are running 18-22psi that 2x2% might be the difference of 10-12whp.The more back pressure you create, the less efficent you turbo is.
My friend Ryan W.(owner of Wide Open Throttle Motorsports) was making 1100+whp at 43psi..His back pressure was at 108psi in the manifold..The car would not make anymore power.While playing with the car he eliminated 1 90* bend and added a straight piece.His back pressure went from 108 to 103 and picked up 18whp.
Then he decided to built a new turbo manifold.The manifold had larger ID runners but otherwise looked the same.At 43psi of boost his back pressure was now 53 and he made 1400+whp..

 

[Mental Addiction]

I was just going to say to keep in mind, when hearing the total cost of this kit, that it comes with many options, including powdercoating, an HKS SSQV BOV, and choice of a CAI or SRI in addition to the FMIC, piping, couplers and clamps. I'm expecting it to be in the $1400 range, which would be on par with a PErrin FMIC without a flange or BOV. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised with this one.

Our FMIC will come with:

large bar/plate core with polished cast end tanks(core alone measures 24x6x3.5)
HKS SSQV BOV
powdercoated piping
T-bolt clamps
Silicone
SRI/CAI
choice of turbo clocking pipe(stock location or rotated 180*)
1-12" Spal electric fan
1-9" Spal electric fan

Retail will be in the $1200 range.

 

[Focus]

Just for rough numbers, every 90* bend shows a 2% pressure drop.Now if you are running 18-22psi that 2x2% might be the difference of 10-12whp.The more back pressure you create, the less efficent you turbo is.
My friend Ryan W.(owner of Wide Open Throttle Motorsports) was making 1100+whp at 43psi..His back pressure was at 108psi in the manifold..The car would not make anymore power.While playing with the car he eliminated 1 90* bend and added a straight piece.His back pressure went from 108 to 103 and picked up 18whp.
Then he decided to built a new turbo manifold.The manifold had larger ID runners but otherwise looked the same.At 43psi of boost his back pressure was now 53 and he made 1400+whp..

I'm still a little skeptical that it will make a big difference. I would love to see a before and after dyno run.

 

[505zoom]

I'm still a little skeptical that it will make a big difference. I would love to see a before and after dyno run.

Don't expect anything huge at 10psi on my car for the dyno session, but I would be surprised if there were NO gains at all. The piping will be shorter, and 2 90* bends will be eliminated. Even though the system is pressurized, the air is still moving through it, and 90* bends will hinder that.

Just my .02

 

[Bhamsan]

Estimated at $1200?!?! Sign me up for the first one!

 

[505zoom]

Estimated at $1200?!?! Sign me up for the first one!

Sorry bud, that honor goes to me.

 

[Bhamsan]

Sign me up for the second one!

 

[peepsalot]

What 90 degree bends are you guys even talking about?