Twin Turbo

[Palartzski]

i just joined this forum and have been really considering getting the msp as my first car. the one thing im a little concerned about is the potential of what the car can do. id really like to put on another turbocharger to the engine but im not really sure if i could do this, especially with a 2L engine. im sure some1 out there must know. if its possible, can ne1 suggest a turbo to put on? if this isnt possible, what other forced induction mods can i do to the car besides a blow off valve? im hoping to put something on the car that can put a serious gain in hp. i want this car to be running and sounding great. nothing really loud like those huge exhausts that people put on their cars..........im not too much of a fan of those. so neways, i just wanted to do a little research on da car b4 im driving around and cant do too much performance to it. ill be getting one next year. still gotta take drivers ed over the summer though.... (doh)

 

[mspdfreak]

Keep in mind the internals are not forged in this engine. Twin turbo? No, but you can safely put down around 250hp before worrying about popping the motor.

 

[flat_black]

If you were to go twin turbo, you would have to use something like a GT15... REAAAAALLLLY dinky turbos. Not really worth it. A GT28RS would be a substantial upgrade, though. But not something you could just slap on haphazardly, for sure. It'd take a lot of cashola to get there.

Blow off valves won't gain you squat for power, they just make more noise. You'll probably want a larger intercooler, hard pipes, a decent turbo-back exhaust, and take care of the poorly-tuned factory ECU, say with the unichip, or a decent standalone, if you have the cash...

But once you realize that what I just listed alone is 3500+, PLUS the fact you wouldn't be able to go up in boost too much without forged internals and a good custom tune, which is another 1200 anyway... That's assuming just parts, and you doing all the labor, no less!

At any rate, building a lot of HP on the stock internals will take some serious tuning, and very ACCURATE monitoring/tuning at that, it won't be exactly plug-and-play... As a warning. =)

But, if you have deep pockets, go for it! The car is a blast to drive, especially once you have it configured like it should have been from the factory. =)

 

[low_psi]

wtf.... you have no idea what you're talking about. i'm not trying to be mean, but it sounds like you've never touched a motor, more or less a turbocharged motor.

twin turboing a protege(or any 4cyl) is one of the worst ideas ever. read the MSP Modder's Guide and then ask some questions. a blow off valve is not the first mod!

Welcome to the site but try to get a handle on the car's mechanics before you start to dream up modifications for it.

 

[TX Speed Demon]

Yeah if you are looking for a super hi horsepower car look elsewhere. Doing this in an MSP will probably require more money and knowledge than someone currently in Driver's ed has.

Not trying to dis you, just trying to set your level of expectations correctly.

If you want a kick ass starter car that you can mildly mod for moderate prices, learn about the fundamental elements of a turbocharged vehicle, and have a kick ass time in, this may be the right starter car for you.

 

[Jhova1012]

Lets try this. (not trying to be an asshole or anything)

Im going to assume your my age or younger...

Learn to drive. Not give it gas, turn and stop. I mean learn to drive the car. You HAVE to see how the car reacts in different conditions, this will also allow you to explore the limits of the car in a safe way. You can also determine what you like and dont like about the car (power, handeling, blah blah blah...) No point in having the first twin turbo MSP if you wrap it around a pole because you couldnt pull it out of a slide.

Edit: And like they said, a TT MSP is pointless. The turbo in the car spools plenty fast, and you can still make plenty of power. I dunno about you but if you are close to my age I think 170hp is plenty for someone our age...

 

[txrxs]

subtract another MSP from the production numbers. If you want a fast car that will make you soo cool in high school go get a mustang.
First post:
Twin turbo on MSP + BOV gains hp + going to drivers ed = no Espect

 

[Jhova1012]

lol damn that hurts me too...

 

[Heathen23]

I doubt you'll ever return unless to defend yourself but take your time, read the boards, learn as much as you can, and if you do end up with a msp you'll be in a better spot after soaking up as much knowledge as possible. Enjoy the forums and welcome.

 

[low_psi]

Its true though. I doubt he has any idea of the cost associated with a twinturbo setup, among all other factors...

EDIT- I hate to s*** on new members, so please don't be offended by what I've said. If I can help you get things straigtened out, don't hesitate to PM or email me.

 

[txrxs]

I wasnt trying to be to much of dick, it's just annoying when peoples first post are like that. I browsed for at least 6 months before i ever posted. It just boggles my mind how you can not even have a car and want more hp for it. s***, i'm speaking for myself, but if i had an MSP as my first car i'd be dead or have my liscense perminently suspended.

 

[MSP2NV]

yea if this would have been my first car i'd have been dead a while ago!

But in either case welcome to the boards my friend, enjoy your stay here

 

[Palartzski]

ok ok let me clear some things up. first off, its quite obvious that i cant twin turbo this car and by now have already completely ditched the idea of it. yeah i know i dont even drive yet but im really into cars. trust me, once YOUR older bro gets an lancer evolution VIII, youll be inspired to look into cars a lot more too. i know the basics abut cars such as how the engine works (hell i even wrote my term paper on it) and other things. i really dont know too much about forced induction too much except for how a turbo works and how a supercharger works. i know understand this car a lot more than i originally did. its not a honda where i, basically, have no limits. and yeah i can now see that i should really enjoy driving the car and getting to know it first before i really start modding it at all. thanks for clearing this up and i really didnt take nething that u guys said personally. dont worry bout that. ill take a better look at the boards and post nething that i really don understand.

P.S. If ya wanna see da evo, heres some pics.

 

[jeffmsp]

your wrong, a mazdaspeed, just like a honda or any motor has no limitations. You can make anything fast, ANYTHING.

welcome to the board (group)

 

[SP33D]

its not that you cant twin turbo a mazdaspeed... it's just that it would be a lot of work for minimal gains, and it may even be so innefficient that you could lose horsepower... hell even most supras switch to a bigger single turbo setup.

its not a honda where i, basically, have no limits.

every car has its limits, it's just that people have worked on hondas for a lot longer and theres more aftermarket support for them. the more people learn about our car... the more power we can make. hell... im predicting someone hits 500whp before spring *keeps fingers crossed* (good luck to those thumper guys)

ps. your bros evo is sweet and welcome to the forums. it's cool that you get into cars before you get your liscense.. i hope you learn a lot and can do some cool stuff with a MSP (no rice)

 

[mp3moose]

Still sounds like you have a lot to learn sir.

 

[Puckpimp71]

He's starting in a good place, at least.

 

[hello2000]

our msp's can be pretty fast with smart mods... such as exhaust, forged internals, fuel management, injectors, fmic, etc...

 

[Palartzski]

ok heres the first question that has come to mind. what exactly are forged internals? im guessing it has something to do with the inside of the engine but what does it mean for the internals to be forged and wats so good bout it?

 

[Brian MP5T]

ok heres the first question that has come to mind. what exactly are forged internals? im guessing it has something to do with the inside of the engine but what does it mean for the internals to be forged and wats so good bout it?

The stock internals that Mazda uses are designed to let the car run on stock horsepower and normal driving for a very long time. When you start asking more of the engine that it was designed for, you end up putting more of a load on the parts inside. If you start lifting weights and work out, your arm will get stronger, the opposite is true for an engine. If you put a greater load on the engine, you end up with the begining of metal fatigue and eventually the motor will fail. The ammount of dammage you do is built up over time and wear is a problem.

Forged metal parts are made diferently and are much more expensive so Mazda didn't use them in the engine. They are stronger and made to handle the added loads that a tuner rather than a modder is looking for. Anything over 6-7 Psi, you should start to look at going forged. There are many people who are pussing the upper limits of 12+ on stock internals, consider them very lucky (So Far)

Evaluate what you want you car to do. Ie. How much HP and What kind of 1/4 Mile times you want and we can come up with a shopping list of minimum modifications for you to think about.

Welcome to the board. Brian...

Trust me... This is my new engine...

This is my old one. Notice that you can see through it?