turbo related questions

[overdrivex]

Well, I think he asked the correct questions, its YOU forum members that are knocking him out. When I wanted to go turbo, I didnt have a ******* clue about how it was going to work, well, maybe just a bit, the basics.

Now that I am going forged and full standalone...does it mean that If I cannot afford the forged pistons, rods, build expenses, big turbo and the Microtech all in once, that I should not do it?

What a bunch of assholes. A lot of people doesnt have $4000 in their pocket to spend on turbo kits.

Piecing a turbo kit once piece at a time is better in terms of savings. Anyway...

What you will need for 180-200whp:

1. Turbo, a simple T3 48/60 or TO4B will do the job just fine, I had a T04B that I just sold for $280.

2. Manifold: You can modify the stock one, it will be cheap, will not be power wise but it can get you to your power goals. Or you can buy one from MAM, Hiboost, MPI or find one around the Sales Threads. I can also get you one for $600, good for over 600whp.

3. Piping and Intercooler, this is important, I would buy both from ebay.

4. BOV - Any you like

5. FMU - Vortech FMU 12:1 or Begi RRFPR will do it just fine.

6. Clutch - YOu will need it for those power goals, a simple ACT Pressure Plate or a 4 puck sprung disk or both combined will work. But the 4 puck may warp the flywheel for street use.

I think you are set. Me and my friend pieced one together with less than $2000, and with a small wrx IHI turbo hes pushing 170whp with 7-8psi. With a bit more boost or a better designed manifold or even a bigger turbo, boosting 7-8psi you can get it to 180-200whp. If you want pics or any more details, let me know.

this is the kinda of info i was looking for thanks

 

[Protephile]

Ig, it wasn't the original question that made us sound like assholes, it was the attitude afterward...a lot of us are just trying to help with honest answers.
I'm glad you learned how to do it on your own, and I hope he does too.

 

[igdrasil]

Ig, it wasn't the original question that made us sound like assholes, it was the attitude afterward...a lot of us are just trying to help with honest answers.
I'm glad you learned how to do it on your own, and I hope he does too.

Ah, dont worry, it wasnt about your comment, but the 1st comment made by fixedspicylsd.

Honestly, this is going to sound harsh, but if you can't afford to buy it all at once, you can't afford a blown motor or ANY problems, and really shouldnt get one. Wait till your financial picture is better, don't just do this because you want more power like everyone else.

And the Jack Daniel saying its a good advise.... c'mon.

Even the 600whp proyect never went out the 1st run with 600whp. Right now its been sleeping and shooting for 800whp.

 

[Jack Daniels]

Well, I don't want to get in a pissing match, but I stand by my words. It's not a great idea to build a turbo setup piecemeal because you can't afford the whole thing at one time. It is good advice to save your money, learn about what you want to do while saving and when you have enough to buy a setup, do it then. I'm not going to go into detail about why it's a bad idea, that should be blatently obvious.

 

[JAmazan]

Well, while I can agree where if you have little knowledge of turbo systems a kit might be better, its also expensive. So with that peicing your kit one part at a time actually teach you more on the topic....not to mention alot cheaper. and in get to learn in the process. I was reading the first thread and was like whoa, no one is answering that poor kids question........boy, now I will think twice before asking a question since it seems like people are quicker with their .02 then with any useful info. blowing a motor with a turbo system is a result of stupidity....not the turbo.....

 

[JAmazan]

800whp On Protege= Damn

 

[Jack Daniels]

Ah, dont worry, it wasnt about your comment, but the 1st comment made by fixedspicylsd.


And the Jack Daniel saying its a good advise.... c'mon.

Even the 600whp proyect never went out the 1st run with 600whp. Right now its been sleeping and shooting for 800whp.

Tell me more about this 600whp project.

 

[ghettobubba2001]

shrug when u turbo a car - most people dont know how to drive it at all if they never have before, therefore if u dont know how to drive a car you dont know how a turbo works. im not critizing anyone... you should go drive ur buddys srt-4 or evo and try it out to see if it is even something you would like... and boost is addicting so keep that in mind.

 

[igdrasil]

Tell me more about this 600whp project.

got some pics and videos...but its easier for me to paste the link where I posted last time, its in off topic:

605whp - post # 13

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123623104

 

[lasermp5]

What you can't afford is that bad POS OBX manifold. Ya, p5 obx header might be a good buy, but I've heard bad bad things about that manifold... beau is right when he says something to the effect of "the bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweet deal you got on a cheap ebay manifold..." somethign like that.

Edit: also doesn't mean that you have to get a big expensive mam manifold... I would just steer clear of the obx, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Jack Daniels]

got some pics and videos...but its easier for me to paste the link where I posted last time, its in off topic:

605whp - post # 13

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123623104

Is that your 323?

 

[igdrasil]

Is that your 323?

Nope... I helped him a bit on his setup, but he knows a lot more than I do. Hes a local builder and programmer. Some work done on my P5 is made by him, and as soon as I get the money for my forged setup, hes the one that is going to do the manifold and engine assembly.

Problem is, his ego has been climbing very fast, and along with it....his prices.

 

[Jack Daniels]

Nope... I helped him a bit on his setup, but he knows a lot more than I do. Hes a local builder and programmer. Some work done on my P5 is made by him, and as soon as I get the money for my forged setup, hes the one that is going to do the manifold and engine assembly.

Problem is, his ego has been climbing very fast, and along with it....his prices.

That's one quick little car.

 

[wipedawg]

IMO... If i had plans to turbo a p5... i'd save for a rebuild with forged parts... then start piecing the turbo together. It would suck bad if you spent months piecing together a kit, and had your motor blow. Flat out the 2.0 is a weak engine, and needs to be made stronger in order to safely run a turbo.

 

[igdrasil]

IMO... If i had plans to turbo a p5... i'd save for a rebuild with forged parts... then start piecing the turbo together. It would suck bad if you spent months piecing together a kit, and had your motor blow. Flat out the 2.0 is a weak engine, and needs to be made stronger in order to safely run a turbo.

The only weak part in the engine is the rod. The rest is solid for 600whp.

You can use the stock pistons or use Kia or Protege 1.8L pistons on the MAM rods for $400.00. It has been tested for 22psi without issues. The Protege 1.8 has stronger ring lands so I think they will handle a little bit more boost.
The stock piston pin fits on it. It just need some grinding on the piston to install the clips for full floating.

 

[wipedawg]

The only weak part in the engine is the rod. The rest is solid for 600whp.

You can use the stock pistons or use Kia or Protege 1.8L pistons on the MAM rods for $400.00. It has been tested for 22psi without issues. The Protege 1.8 has stronger ring lands so I think they will handle a little bit more boost.
The stock piston pin fits on it. It just need some grinding on the piston to install the clips for full floating.

who knows. But none of the other components will hold up to the 200hp he's trying to achieve. Tranny wont last, clutch wont last, axles are at risk. The p5 is just a weak car period in every aspect except handling. Dont get me wrong... i like mine a lot, and love driving it everyday, but it'll just take a lot of work to have a completely reliable 200whp p5. I was running a fmax turbo kit with an open wastegate on my 98 prelude, with a low compression gasket, running 16 psi and dyno'd at 412 at the wheels. That was on all stock internals, and the car still felt strong and used the clutch from when i installed the turbo at 52k to 74k before i needed to replace it with a clutchmasters.

 

[igdrasil]

Oh yes, the axles, tranny, clutch are strong and will hold for 200whp just fine, I ran 200whp for 2 years, never broke anything except the rods, past 220whp. The block is strong, even stronger than any same class honda engine. Handling is a lot better than the same class hondas.

The engine breaks because of the lenght of the stroke, thats it. You put this same stock rod on a shorter stroke engine, and it will hold way much HP than on the FS engine.

who knows. But none of the other components will hold up to the 200hp he's trying to achieve. Tranny wont last, clutch wont last, axles are at risk. The p5 is just a weak car period in every aspect except handling. Dont get me wrong... i like mine a lot, and love driving it everyday, but it'll just take a lot of work to have a completely reliable 200whp p5. I was running a fmax turbo kit with an open wastegate on my 98 prelude, with a low compression gasket, running 16 psi and dyno'd at 412 at the wheels. That was on all stock internals, and the car still felt strong and used the clutch from when i installed the turbo at 52k to 74k before i needed to replace it with a clutchmasters.

 

[joey]

i hate faggots like this more than i hate people who shoot down other peoples ideas.. people like this i usually learn are full of s*** more than knowledge. and commen sense is based on commen knowledge, commen sense to a pro machanic is not commen knowledge to the daily driver who has no machanic skills. anyone can lossen bolts and put them back on but it takes help from experiance person to help put things back together and to do the job right. thats why this furom was developed not to critasize what lvl of educations you think someone has.

Yeah, but in this case he has a point. In a post criticizing someone telling you to get an education, you misspelled so many words that it was nearly unreadable.

Commen = common (4 times)
machanic = mechanic
lossen = loosen
eperiance = experience
furom = forum
critasize = critisize
educations = education

 

[overdrivex]

Yeah, but in this case he has a point. In a post criticizing someone telling you to get an education, you misspelled so many words that it was nearly unreadable.

Commen = common (4 times)
machanic = mechanic
lossen = loosen
eperiance = experience
furom = forum
critasize = critisize
educations = education

i typ fast and dont go back and check for ****** miss spelled words ths is just a quick post im not submitting an esssay for some damn review

 

[aMaff]

seriously, this is, for the most part, a tech forum, not to be confused w/ grammar school. Did you understand what he was saying? Good, so did I. Get off his jock lol.

And on that note, welcome to the forums (thumb)