Went today to get my MS6 appraised at a trade for a Kona Blue they had on the lot. While they were doing that, I test drove the 5.0. I think it was set up just like yours. Tan leather, brembo package, security package, 3.73 gears, HID's. The clutch feel felt so natural, like I had driven the car for 10 years. The engine is incredibly strong, and sounded oh so good with the factory exhaust. The Sync system is incredible. The suspension was bar none the best I have felt in a Mustang (driven every gen since my 1985 5.0) They low balled me on my car, so may look into selling to a private seller. I don't need leather, and the brembo package... Just the 5.0, with the 6- speed is all I want. They are going to call me tomorrow with some findings.
tunersteve's 2011 Mustang GT thread
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FYI, you realize the Brembo package is more than just wheels and brakes, right? I'd really suggest you drive one of each before you make a decision. It was a very noticeable difference in the handling and ride.
had no idea gix was looking to trade in too... yeesh. and the cycle continues. haha...
sounds fun steve! im a little surprised taht you feel teh stang handles corners better/faster than the MS6.
id think the AWD and suspension would still outperform a stock stang, heavy, RWD, stock suspension. power wise, ofc im sure it feels a bit more grunt out of teh turns.
sounds fun steve! im a little surprised taht you feel teh stang handles corners better/faster than the MS6.
id think the AWD and suspension would still outperform a stock stang, heavy, RWD, stock suspension. power wise, ofc im sure it feels a bit more grunt out of teh turns.
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I found that the tendency to understeer at the entrance of a turn really limited the ability to carry speed into them. The Mustang doesn't suffer from this problem. Not to mention, with both vehicles weighing nearly the same, the GT has much wider wheels (9" vs. 7"), so it seemed that the grip was there much more prevalent than the MS6 seemed to show. I can't even imagine the car with springs, Panhard bar, and new shocks on it.
manual - 3,875
auto - 4,000
so over 200 lbs on the ms6, and auto about 400 lbs more.
definitly more weight.
i guess you could call the manual "nearly" similar weight.
the mustang doesnt have understeer, not suprising throwing that power to RWD heavy enough to keep power to the pavement, but no oversteer either?
concerning wheel width, not really legit comparison as nearly ANY car grips better with wider wheel/tire...
stock for stock, the GT does seem a bit better equipped for grip, but not suspension-wise. once you build taht suspension im sure it can be 100% better than stock.
idk what they have progressed to, but i know the new camaros are built on australian suspension design from the Vauxhall (VXR8 etc)... a muscle car long been CRAP for turns, now is pretty good... the 2011 GT still have in-house developed suspension? im curious on its progression for handling.
(fyi, im not attacking your opinion of the GT at all, im genuinly curious cause i lub the new stangs too!... finally done with the "dark ages" for that poor car!)
auto - 4,000
so over 200 lbs on the ms6, and auto about 400 lbs more.
definitly more weight.
i guess you could call the manual "nearly" similar weight.the mustang doesnt have understeer, not suprising throwing that power to RWD heavy enough to keep power to the pavement, but no oversteer either?
concerning wheel width, not really legit comparison as nearly ANY car grips better with wider wheel/tire...
stock for stock, the GT does seem a bit better equipped for grip, but not suspension-wise. once you build taht suspension im sure it can be 100% better than stock.
idk what they have progressed to, but i know the new camaros are built on australian suspension design from the Vauxhall (VXR8 etc)... a muscle car long been CRAP for turns, now is pretty good... the 2011 GT still have in-house developed suspension? im curious on its progression for handling.
(fyi, im not attacking your opinion of the GT at all, im genuinly curious cause i lub the new stangs too!... finally done with the "dark ages" for that poor car!)
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manual - 3,875
auto - 4,000
so over 200 lbs on the ms6, and auto about 400 lbs more.
definitly more weight.
the mustang doesnt have understeer, not suprising throwing that power to RWD heavy enough to keep power to the pavement, but no oversteer either?
concerning wheel width, not really legit comparison as nearly ANY car grips better with wider wheel/tire...
stock for stock, the GT does seem a bit better equipped for grip, but not suspension-wise. once you build taht suspension im sure it can be 100% better than stock.
idk what they have progressed to, but i know the new camaros are built on australian suspension design from the Vauxhall (VXR8 etc)... a muscle car long been CRAP for turns, now is pretty good... the 2011 GT still have in-house developed suspension? im curious on its progression for handling.
(fyi, im not attacking your opinion of the GT at all, im genuinly curious cause i lub the new stangs too!... finally done with the "dark ages" for that poor car!)
Where are you getting your numbers from? I read 3,605 for a manual equipped GT:
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2011_Mustang_GT_Specs.pdf
Concerning the suspension, the car has gobs of grip. I didn't find it trying to oversteer out of corners or having wheel hop at any point since I've owned it. I know the GT still has the "archaic" 3-link solid rear axle, but whatever Ford did, the tuning on it is fantastic. You don't really notice the typical characteristics that the SLA would exhibit on an older vehicle.
The Camaro and Challenger have the multi-link independent rear suspension, but the extra heft they carry almost nullifies the gains from it. You feel more body roll and instability in both of those than I experienced in the Mustang. It should be worth saying that Motor Trend put the Mustang up against the M3, not either of these. There's a reason for that. I find the SLA vs. IRS argument to be a bit ignorant, since most people don't fully understand the pros/cons of each. It's more of the stigma is "it's more complex, so it must be better".
It's not saying the MS6 has a crap suspension, but given the complete package, the Mustang feels more composed all the way around.
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Rockin03mp5
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so... what makes it so special? replace a cat or something?
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The stock exhaust is an H-pipe, which has a crossover point just before the outlet of the pipe. The X-pipe also has a crossover point, which looks to be bigger than the stock part. Apparently, you get very different sounds from an X-pipe, and typically a few more hp as well.
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To me, that doesnt make much sense. I mean what would be the point... extra restriction with the extra bends lol.
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I'm not 100% sure on the differences. I will say this, I just got it installed, and the car sounds totally different. It's not as raspy as the axle-backs sounded by themselves. Less popping, quieter on the decel, but still a very refined sound overall compared to stock. I'll see if I can get a video tonight or tomorrow and post up.
It's less restrictive than an H shape. In an H shape does it have a connecting piece like an "H" has? And does it crossover exhaust gas? If so, then the x pipe is an obvious upgrade as the air is now going str8 back instead of some of it having to make a sharp 90 degree turn.
my source for weight was autoguide.com - http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...stang-gt-debuts-with-412-hp-5-0-liter-v8.html
wtf is with sites all saying different things - edmunds says 3605 too. i guess coinciding info is more trustworthy...
suspension; i wasnt comparing solid link versus independant, i was just curious if it was changed yet. an updated solid link is interesting, im curious to know what specific engineering aspects changed since they are sticking with this traditional setup. I dont doubt it still handles well. Muscle cars have really come a long way from the straight line ONLY setup, to modern day. i agree, the solid link vs independant suspension argument is USUALLY an ignorant argument, hence why i didnt argue it... lol. concerning actual track performance, only seasoned drivers can really feel the differences.
speaking of straight line, the GT stock striaghtline is impressive!! best recorded so far 0-60 in 4.3 and the quarter mile in 12.8 at 112mph!!!
dont hate me, but when i test drove the GT, i didnt get the impression that it was "more composed all the way around", but i did enjoy having all that POWER!! i think i scared the salesman too. haha
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Oh, and so far, I've got 2 Camaro SS kills 
lol straight line is boring.
i love this Motortrend video for the m3 vs GT.
dyamn iimpressed with how it compares. the grip track comparison is the best part, that track is right near my house "Streets of Willow".
Fun track, i was on in just a couple months back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4
sounds like his only real positive over the Mustang is better "shock control" and accuracy.
but he says the mustang is more fun, M3 understeer making the car feel "dumn" lol
good commentary.
edit: btw, only 1/10 of a second difference in grip track time!!! imagine building that GT suspension... phooey, use that price difference of the M3 for building the car and you golden! hah
i love this Motortrend video for the m3 vs GT.
dyamn iimpressed with how it compares. the grip track comparison is the best part, that track is right near my house "Streets of Willow".
Fun track, i was on in just a couple months back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4
sounds like his only real positive over the Mustang is better "shock control" and accuracy.
but he says the mustang is more fun, M3 understeer making the car feel "dumn" lol
good commentary.
edit: btw, only 1/10 of a second difference in grip track time!!! imagine building that GT suspension... phooey, use that price difference of the M3 for building the car and you golden! hah
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