Torn: Emanage or megasquirt

[boostisgood]

My questions is this. How the hell is a bike or traffic cop gonna know if I dont have th stock ecu or a piggy back in my car ? They gonna issue cops 4k scantools ? Not cost effective if you ask me.

 

[wicked]

My questions is this. How the hell is a bike or traffic cop gonna know if I dont have th stock ecu or a piggy back in my car ? They gonna issue cops 4k scantools ? Not cost effective if you ask me.

they may just send you to the REF,and there anything newer then 95 has to be pluged in for OBDII activity.


piggy backs all comply
so you can get away with useing a HALTECH,MPI,UNI-CHIP,DSM AFC,and such.but only if retaining your stock ECU.


I highly recamend useing the stock ECU for SPEEDO,and ALT output anyway,so by doing this you will have a MIL,but so what the cop can't take your car for a check engine light.
the scanner will still work on it too,so you can say **** YOU !! to the man.

 

[spacemonkey]

That's what I was told by a guy who runs it. You have to datalog then view the datalog and then make changes. You can't make changes while driving the car real time. Meaning, you can't view/change fuel or timing live,only viaa datalog, Is that wrong? If it is, then I apologize for saying incorrect info, that is just what I have been told. Like I stated earlier, I have not used either.

yeah emanage has real time map tracing. Although not neccesary you can also use E-O1 display to adjust fuel and change maps without the lap top. its also a data loger and volt reader (display lots of gauges and info).

I have a emanage blue for sale. never used looking for $250. And a profec E-O1 which works great with the emanage. PM me if interested

I also have most of the harnesses needed minus the O2 modifier....I suggest the flying miata unit (best).

I gave up on emanage because I didnt want too much for my car. If I wanted to push more power I would have installed my emanage. Right now im happy with 250 hp aka (unichip)

 

[03MSP]

I am working on megasquirt now, support for it is unbelievable...go with MS!

 

[ion332]

piggy backs all comply so you can get away with useing a HALTECH,MPI,UNI-CHIP,DSM AFC,and such.but only if retaining your stock ECU.

Nah, its been coming out that all you need to do is rev the car with the Haltech, unichip, AFC, etc and it will throw a fault.

So, although its a better choice than a full standalone for stealth, its not any guarantee. At idle, sure, it will show a bone stock ecu.

Problem is, for high hp apps, the piggyback stuff can't make radical enough changes to deal with it. And, some of the piggybacks still cause a cel.

Unless you can stim the stock ECU to get its exact inputs it wants, its still going to raise an eyebrow or two amongst the po-po.

The cops aren't stupid as you would think, many places actually have streetracing taskforces and some of these guys were gearheads first before they became police.

 

[Bigg Tim]

Nah, its been coming out that all you need to do is rev the car with the Haltech, unichip, AFC, etc and it will throw a fault.

So, although its a better choice than a full standalone for stealth, its not any guarantee. At idle, sure, it will show a bone stock ecu.

Problem is, for high hp apps, the piggyback stuff can't make radical enough changes to deal with it. And, some of the piggybacks still cause a cel.

Unless you can stim the stock ECU to get its exact inputs it wants, its still going to raise an eyebrow or two amongst the po-po.

The cops aren't stupid as you would think, many places actually have streetracing taskforces and some of these guys were gearheads first before they became police.

Not all entirely true. There have been piggyback users that made over 300whp at 15psi, just like with a standalone. And my PB doesn't look any different when hooked to a scan tool when you rev it. It all depends on the unit and the tune.

 

[spacemonkey]

Not all entirely true. There have been piggyback users that made over 300whp at 15psi, just like with a standalone. And my PB doesn't look any different when hooked to a scan tool when you rev it. It all depends on the unit and the tune.

www.mohdparts.com supra made like crazy HP off emanage blue. I think he got like 600 to 700 hp. There use to be a old dyno of his supra on www.mohdparts.com, and of course tehre are greddy cars making 550-600 hp for D1 competition.

But a piggyback can only go as far as the stock ECU will allow. like timming can only be altered like within a certain range. Thats why it makes a difference if our ECU are flashed or not. The factory ECU will always be the hinderence of the unit. Hey some factory ECUs are pretty good.

Of course in the future most likely everythign will be "piggyback" style. even standalones. ECU are just so complicated like the new BMW M5 ECu and RX8. Now you have a factory ECU controlling things like AC and you have cars with new technology like electronic steering and direct injection. So that makes it almost impossible to remove the ECU becasue it controls so much.

 

[wicked]

Of course in the future most likely everythign will be "piggyback" style. even standalones. ECU are just so complicated like the new BMW M5 ECu and RX8. Now you have a factory ECU controlling things like AC and you have cars with new technology like electronic steering and direct injection. So that makes it almost impossible to remove the ECU becasue it controls so much.

this is true about the new ECUs controling so much,the way around it is the same way as running a haltech,and still having a speedo in a MSP,you leave the ECU to control everything exept IAC,FUEL,and IGN.thats for the engine management

 

[ion332]

Well, thats where you run into a problem...

Some of the newer ECUS know when the injectors, ignition, and IAC are disconnected and they go apeshit and do things like not allow you to turn on the AC, run the fans all the time, or, in the case of some BMWs, they just won't start.

So, even in piggyback mode you need to have inputs that are going to allow you to give the ecu the correct feedback so it doesn't have any issues.

So, in some cases you can't get between the ecu and the injectors or the ecu will fault.

IN some cases, you can't get between the ign and the ecu or it will fault.

 

[Ddrop]

im considering megasquirt. luckly i have a 95 ecu...go obd1 !!!! Id really like to get to run megasquirt with my stock ecu with no codes. I know disconnecting the maf will diff pull a code. i wonder if theres a way you could simulate a maf signal.

 

[brealmp3]

it all is measured by voltage so i don't know if you could or not.

 

[wicked]

Well, thats where you run into a problem...

Some of the newer ECUS know when the injectors, ignition, and IAC are disconnected and they go apeshit and do things like not allow you to turn on the AC, run the fans all the time, or, in the case of some BMWs, they just won't start.

So, even in piggyback mode you need to have inputs that are going to allow you to give the ecu the correct feedback so it doesn't have any issues.

So, in some cases you can't get between the ecu and the injectors or the ecu will fault.

IN some cases, you can't get between the ign and the ecu or it will fault.

we aren't talking about "some cases",we're talking about the protege line up,so lets talk about things relative to the situation

 

[p5T]

Sub

 

[p5T]

Just to add, I use both, the emange was installed in about an hour and tuned in another hour, happily driving...

The megasquirted car has been over a month in the creation, not including board build time, just too many variables to nail down in a day, fuel was pretty straight forward, but w/o solid ignition control (that's where the trouble sems to be for most users)its a waste. The forum is ok, but most searched posts usually have the response of search and you just spend a lot of time searching searches....

The MS software is not user friendly, updates almost daily and flashing the firmware doesn't always connect so there can be a lot of trouble shooting , only to discover a piece of corrupted code, that wasn't corrupt when it all began... Unless you can spend a lot of down time w/ your car, really look at the EM Blue for 8-14 psi it's works great, is dependable. One should also consider any of the other forum sponsored ECU's, support is worth something when your car isn't running.