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[coyfish]

For all of you living in hot climates methanol is the only way to go. Even the best front or top mount IC isn't going to work all that great when it's 100+ out. I'd even wager to say that a FMIC would be worse. It's getting air right off the pavement which is way over ambient.

As far as Co2 goes methanol is a much better way to go. CO2 is a lot tougher to fill for one. You have to bring a bottle somewhere versus just filling the meth jug where and when ever you need to. CO2 is a gas so even though it is spraying out icy cold there isn't a ton of mass there to absorb heat. Liquids are much better at absorbing heat, some where on the order of 17 times better. You also don't get the big octane boost and lower EGT's with CO2 like you do with a methanol/water mix. One other issue you can have with CO2 is you can pull it into the intake. It won't blow anything up but it displaces oxygen so power can go down because of it.

Nice post. Suprised I never thought of that. The ground is probably radiating just as much heat as the engine . . .

 

[Blendercloud]

Nice post. Suprised I never thought of that. The ground is probably radiating just as much heat as the engine . . .

It's not. That much I assure you. It may be radiating 110-120F but your engine and turbo will be radiating 220-280F. Additionally, the largest benefit of a FMIC is that you are placing the intercooler in a position that it receives the highest volume of air possible over the cooling fins.

A lot of people misconceive the purpose as being similar to a cold air intake. The principle requirement for intercooling is air volume (because you're dissipating heat). The principle requirements for air intake are temperature and velocity.

 

[coyfish]

It's not. That much I assure you. It may be radiating 110-120F but your engine and turbo will be radiating 220-280F. Additionally, the largest benefit of a FMIC is that you are placing the intercooler in a position that it receives the highest volume of air possible over the cooling fins.

A lot of people misconceive the purpose as being similar to a cold air intake. The principle requirement for intercooling is air volume (because you're dissipating heat). The principle requirements for air intake are temperature and velocity.

Was supposed to be sarcastic . But regardless its another +1 for the TMIC.

FMIC is obviously superior but people gravely overestimate the heat soak issue. To make my IC warm I would need to sit at least 5 minutes in ~95F heat.

 

[Blendercloud]

Was supposed to be sarcastic . But regardless its another +1 for the TMIC.

FMIC is obviously superior but people gravely overestimate the heat soak issue. To make my IC warm I would need to sit at least 5 minutes in ~95F heat.

Most nay-sayers of TMIC's will claim that there is no heat soak with a FMIC. They fail to realize that there's a big radiator dissipating heat into it most of the time they are sitting still.

 

[coyfish]

Most nay-sayers of TMIC's will claim that there is no heat soak with a FMIC. They fail to realize that there's a big radiator dissipating heat into it most of the time they are sitting still.

Good point

 

[Suspect987]

Great points were made by all. This thread has a lot of information for any newbie or person looking to make an upgrade. Thanks to those who added to it.

I have been looking at water to air TMIC's, but living in Chicago water wouldn't be a great during the winter. I found a few that you could replace water with coolant, but pump life is cut down. The other issue is the reservoir, pump, tubing, and wiring. The cost is a few hundred less than the ETS TMIC, but the pros and cons don't seem to balance out to me. It doesn't matter either way as my house take precedent these days to my excess cash.

 

[mglavina]

I'm really getting pulled to the TMIC now... It just seems so easy and so eaisly reverseable. No cutting of the crash bar, don't have to remoive the bumper, nothing needs to be re-located, no extra piping and clamps...

Swap the bolts and youre good to go! Just wondering (for those who have it) do you remove the plastic intercooler cover or leave it? Does it fit? Do you need it?

 

[coyfish]

Great points were made by all. This thread has a lot of information for any newbie or person looking to make an upgrade. Thanks to those who added to it.

I have been looking at water to air TMIC's, but living in Chicago water wouldn't be a great during the winter. I found a few that you could replace water with coolant, but pump life is cut down. The other issue is the reservoir, pump, tubing, and wiring. The cost is a few hundred less than the ETS TMIC, but the pros and cons don't seem to balance out to me. It doesn't matter either way as my house take precedent these days to my excess cash.

There are cheap FMIC kits out there. You could always wait and snag a used kit. But the biggest factor for me is the install. I just don't have the time to work on my car. Right now if something were to go wrong I could revert back to stock in 2-3 hours.

 

[batou079]

I'm really getting pulled to the TMIC now... It just seems so easy and so eaisly reverseable. No cutting of the crash bar, don't have to remoive the bumper, nothing needs to be re-located, no extra piping and clamps...

Swap the bolts and youre good to go! Just wondering (for those who have it) do you remove the plastic intercooler cover or leave it? Does it fit? Do you need it?

im pretty sure you cannot run the shroud if you upgrade your TMIC.
mainly due to increased thickness/height of the new TMIC core. Most people i see running it run without, saying something like the hood wouldnt shut right with the shroud.

Then again, the same people might just like the shiny metal look instead.
If you can get away with teh shroud on the upgraded TMIC, i would LOVE that! but i dont think we can. Ill be upgrading the TMIC next year.

just recently had a big unexpected cost that set my plans back... all 4 rotor replacement, even worse is i had to get a rush "performance" setup, instead of time to research for a good slotted and/or Xdrilled setup since i have to have this all by this weekend! lol *sigh*

 

[ESB Jiu JItsu]

sub'd great info and im in the market for a FMIC, TMIC or LAIC myself! thanks for the posts!

 

[batou079]

nice bump. well shiat, i just realized im only 3-4 mods behind coyfish, and he's making about 300whp now?!?! SU TMIC and coilovers next year, rest of this year is small upgrades.

well pewps. i better get crackin, lol