Time for War !!!

[saided18]

Big_ben i would love to sit down and talk to you. you know exactly what your talking about. every thing you said i have been saying for so long ang on other threads too.

You also forget Russia. Why are they against the WAR??? Saddam owes Russia 3 billion from the 80's in weapon sales.

There is a motive about every thing.

And i forgot who said that WWII was diffrent and Big_ben should not compare it to the current war. Well i say you an idoit and you have NO CLUE what your talkint about.

IT IS THE SAME!!!! ok well maybe a little diffrent.

lets look into it!

1 Hmmmm Germany signed a a peace tready fully giving up. That treaty limited the size of the Germany military. So Did Saddam.

2. years later Germany started increasing their miliatary if violation of the treaty. Oh s*** saddam did the same thing.

3. Germany invaded the Riehland (sp?) which was taken way from germany after WWI. This was in violation of the peace treaty. oh s***. so did saddam he invaded Kuwait which was part of Iraq a long time ago.

The only difference here is that we will not stand buy and let Saddam build up it's forces like Hitler did.

If France and the international comunity (Leage of Nations) did it's job and inforced the treaty that was signed by Germany.... WWII WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. b/c Hilter would have never be able to built up his military! it so simple. =0)

 

[mp3boy1984]

jsgolfer, we don't want your support anyway. Sorry but i would like to see your ass out on the front lines, oh wait you wouldn't you would run to canada. Atleast these brave men and women are fighting for our country. And must i stress all of the dead civilians of 9-11, How can you forget about that!!!!!!!!!!

 

[saided18]

Now about Clinton.


Did you know he had a chance to arrest Osama??? yeah he did. right before the two bombings in Africa Suddan beg Mr. Clinton to help them b/c they had Terrorists operating in their country. They also said they had captured Osama and ask if the US would take him. Clinton said we don't want him! he was affriad that if we took Osama then that would piss of Terrorists and they would bomb more. Plus he said "We didn't have enough proof to arrest him yet".

Bill was a pussy!!! When all those army Rangers died in Somalia what did he do? he ran way with his tail between his legs instead of taking a stand. If Clinton dealt with this things would be a lot better.

People don't remeber but this whole thing that Bush is doing with the Inspectors and bomb Iraq.... Clinton had the same problem. and instead of dealing with the problem then he just desided to Bomb Iraq for 3 weeks and then leave Saddam alone.

Where were all you people then?? Protesting him.

 

[nmaino]

MP5Racyer: I was giving you a complement, but I see that you are too stupid to realize that. You have not answered my question. If you want to fight, then lets take it to the flamewars thread, if not then . . . what?
How do you know my opinion about this conflict, you have not even asked me. Instead you constantly insult me and every board member who has to read your pathetic posts. Grow Up.

 

[saided18]

And to every one saying this is bad and we can't go in and invade a country that doesn't threatens the US. and this has never been done. We it has.

Clinton went to war and bomb the s*** out of Serbia. the world was agianst the US on that one too. when everything was said and done what happened? did the world fall part. was there a world war started. NAH once the Clinton started the bombing all the countries shut there mouth.

And the stakes were higher b/c Serbia is a VERY close alley of RUSSIA. The relationship is liek that of the USA and England.

Every one was sayinf how a wrodl war will start with Russia over the war in Kosova. Did any thing happen. NO the world kept spining and in time people forgot that it ever happened!!!

 

[MP5Raycer]

MP5Racyer: I was giving you a compement, but I see that you are too stupid to realize that. You have not answered my question. If you want to fight, then lets take it to the flamewars thread, if not then?
How do you know my opinion about this conflict, you have not even asked me. Instead you constantly insult me and every board member who has to read your pathetic posts. Grow Up.

no nono s*** for brains ..I have only picked you out of the crowd .... no one else ..so stop trying to gain points with the other members ... as you can see they are backing me not you ... also further more ..if you dont like me pulling your b**** ass cards out infront for all to see then zip it .... also another "pathetic" point is why on earth do i need to ask you you ****** idiot i can see all of your views on here you ****** retard .. duh you rode the short bus didnt you .. thats 3 **** ups in two pages ... gee you're on a role tonight is this a record ... also last but not least why do I need to go to flame wars to tell you what i think of you when i can do it here. Look man I'm giving you s*** here becasue if you read back to allthe post you replied to you will see that you have argued with almost anyone that has there own opinion and view of things on here so far and also on the other war thread .. so i was simply asking you to cann it and stop barging in like G.I. ******* JOE and telling every person there wrong or don't know s*** ect .. that is not what this board or topic is about .. so I will be 100% respectful as I have been to each and every other member if you just tone the "i know everything" additude down a few notches .. i mean Im not at war with you ..i am at war with IRAQ and Afganistan

 

[jsgolfer]

you are right, i would not be on the front lines, not cause i am not able but because i have a brain and two legs and i would walk away cause i know right from wrong. i hate to see innocent people die. i think that everyone is forgeting 9/11 and the horror we all felt watching those innocent men and women die. now how do you think killing more innocent will help erase that from our memories? people are people wether they are muslim, jew, or christian and they just don't deserve to be killed.

you guys can hate me all you want. i know my view is unpopular but it is the only one i can take. i have a consciene and it won't let me be behind this war. sorry

 

[MP5Raycer]

hey GS .. i see where your coming from but ...now i am going out on a limb here on this one but (meaning no disrespect) I think you may be underestamating our military.... I mean they are not trained to get a gun and run into towns and villages and just start spraying .. and they are trained for accurate and knowlegable kills .. and one of the first rules with Fire arms are to "know your target and behind your target" ... and yes there maybe some troops that may freak and just pull the trigger at anything that moves .. but again we are not here to harm the Iraqi people but you must understand .. that if we let this continue .. Saddam has already shown and proven to not to comply ... so are main goal is to irradicate Iraq of Saddam and his sons and any other "known" terrorists that are linked to him .. and then after we feel taht job has been done we will fillthat country with food amoney and medicines ect also allow them to be a self governing country aka FREEE from torchure ... also look at it this way .. your a religous person i think(sorry if i am wrong) but look at what Moses did to free his people .... he HAD to for the saftey of not only his kind but many others as well and yes people had to die some ruthless killers and some simply"doing what was told of them" so this is a layman scenario of whats going on today hope this makes more sence .. and i appologize if the bible talk has offended any of you reading this ..that was not my intension .. just the closest thingk i could compare it to

 

[saided18]

I know wha tye of person you. Your the type of person when your friends gt into a fight you go run and hide instead of jumping in and helping yor friends. Hey that you and you can't changed that.

But the last thing i want to add to this was that there wer alot of people in the USA that felt that the USA had no bussiness going and fighting in WWI and WWII. People thought that Germany did nohig to the US and we should go fight and have our youn men die.

it sounds crazy now but at the tim peope believed it. e stuk our heads in the ground and hoped i went away by itself. Wel guess what it didn't. i jst got worse.


I think we learned our lesson from those 2 warsan we won't stand by and let it happen again!

 

[nmaino]

MP5Raycer: This is the last post that I'm going to address to you. The problem with fighting with idiots like you is this:

"[t]hey will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." J. Heltsley II.

How are they backing you "up:"

Quoted form jpsgolfer:
"ive suspected this for a long time but now i know, raycer is a ******* moron . . ."

Great backing you got going on there. True, his politics are questionable but his judge of charater is right on.
I did not have to ride the bus to school like you, my parents drove me. I think that you need help, right now. Good-bye.

 

[big_ben]

So many posts over night and so much to reply to.

if you follow orders that you know are imoral and wrong than you are the moron and i can't support morons no matter what country they hail from

It seems to me that you are the only one so far here that thinks it is an immoral cause. We live in a nation where majority rules and the majority is seen to be right. So I ask you, who is right here. over 60% of the nation say we should invade. I REST MY CASE.

You also forget Russia. Why are they against the WAR??? Saddam owes Russia 3 billion from the 80's in weapon sales.

Yep, I forgot about that one.

Clinton went to war and bomb the s*** out of Serbia. the world was agianst the US on that one too. when everything was said and done what happened? did the world fall part. was there a world war started. NAH once the Clinton started the bombing all the countries shut there mouth.

This is also true. We didn't have a lot of support before we went into Serbia. Right after we had announced we were going to start the air campaign, other countries fell in behind the US.

And the stakes were higher b/c Serbia is a VERY close alley of RUSSIA. The relationship is liek that of the USA and England.

And here is a HUGE fact that not many people know about. I watched it all unfold from 15,000 feet in the air so I know what happened. This proves Bill Clinton is a b**** that is owned by the UN.

After the air campaign was complete and all the allied countries decided to send in troops to occupy Kosovo, we all split Kosovo into sectors. The nations in control of a sector were the US, Russia, Britain, Spain, and United Arab Emirates. The U.S. claimed the middle of the country all the way north of Pristina. There was a major airfield in Pristina that the US wanted so we could more easily send in massive amounts of troops. Well, the time came and we had a convoy of Black Hawks with air assault troops loaded on them to secure the runway before our planes started landing. Our UAVs were tasked to do surveilance to watch out for them before they got there. So we have 2 UAVs over the runway checking things out and the Black Hawks are about 10 miles away. Then all of a sudden we see paratroopers landing on the runway. Everyone was like WTF!. We find out they belonged to Russia. We were like WTF!.

I'm sure all of you have seen General Franks on CNN and FOX News right. Well he was forced into early retirement is why. Why was he forcedinto early retirement? I'll tell you why. Gen. Franks comes from the cold war era and he will not stand for Russia's bulls***. He was pissed when he saw the paratroopers landing. We could hear him over the phone yelling! He said **** it and to land the air assault troops anyway. Well, a General from Britain, I think his name was Michael Jackson(yeah, haha), he overruled Franks decision. Because Clinton had said that the Brittish general was in command. So Clinton didn't want to get on the bad side of the Russians, we backed off and let the Russians take Pristina.

HOW ****** UP IS THAT! Gen. Franks voiced his displeasure with Clinton and soon after he retired for some unknown reason. You make your own judgement why.

My judgement is that the reason we are in this situation is directly because of Bill Clinton. He was a great president for the US economy, but he was a horrible president for the US foreign policy and the US military. But he is out of office and he is very wealthy because of how he helped himself while in office. But the military is smaller, weaker, and had less funding when Bush entered office. And now the naive nation blames all this on Bush. The majority of the nation dissapoints me because they are so lazy that they rely on the media to tell them everything. And the media does a very poor job, so the majority of the nation is uneducated when it comes to this stuff. Which is very sad. They will all voice their opinions but when I hear those opinions, it's like hearing the previous nights news cast all over again. They are just vomiting up what the news caster said the night before like they actually know what they are talking about. It all makes me sick.

 

[big_ben]

you guys can hate me all you want. i know my view is unpopular but it is the only one i can take. i have a consciene and it won't let me be behind this war. sorry

I dont hate you for your opinion, I hate you for thinking you are the only moraly right person in this country and you think you know what is right. Then you condemn the US troops for following orders that they see as moraly right orders. But since you think you are the right one, you pretty much say they should die. If that is what you think then like I said, **** you and your opinion. It is worthless.

What will it take for people like you. Will it take a nerve gas attack at Atlanta Underground? Will your mother and father have to die before you care about the stance our nation is taking? Some how I still think you would resent US military action. You will think the terrorists made the chem weapons. Well guess what, there is no terrorist group on earth that has the ability to produce chemical weapons, so if one of them got some, I wonder where it would have come from.

 

[andy_guerriero]

if you follow orders that you know are imoral and wrong than you are the moron and i can't support morons no matter what country they hail from. once again. i have nothing wrong with the militarty, my grandfather is a vet of three wars, but if you follow orders that you know are wrong just because someone told you to, you are no worse than nazi scum and i give you no support!

Oy. You've watched "A Few Good Men" a few too many times, pal. This kind of rant is typical of someone who has never served our country, nor knows what it takes to do so.

Of course, I'm sure you're perfectly willing to sit back and enjoy the freedom your military provides you.

 

[fastdrvr23]

i know i will get bashed for this but **** it. i don't support this war or the troops who will be fighting it. they are humans and have the choice to fight or not to fight. this war is wrong and any 'soldier' who fights in it is wrong aswell. the reasoning you guys are using is like a german person in the 40's saying they don't support hitler but the guys working the gas chamber in the death camps are alright. its bulls***. i have nothing against the military men and women but when they ignore the glaring facts that say that this is a war of conquest and fight anyway, then **** them too.

As a former soldier who helped to gave you the right to say what you just did... Let me say that you are one sorry piece of s***. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Do you have any idea how you have the freedoms that you take advantage of every day? Do you have any idea as to the sacrifices service men and women made for YOU? Saying you're against the war or violence in general is one thing, but saying you are don't support Americans is another. Terrorism to you is a word that you hear on TV, and never give a second thought.. There are Americans everywhere, right now, keeping you safe from those uncivilized terrorist bastards.

Oh well, I guess there will always be some spine-less whiney faggot somewhere, it was just you this time.. Eat s*** and die you ******* traitor.

 

[big_ben]

Oh, look at this, France is following their typical pattern. They are starting to fall in behind the US. Here is a quote from CNN.com.

France's ambassador to the United States, Jean-David Levitte, said Tuesday that his country might re-think its position on war with Iraq if Saddam were to use biological or chemical weapons against coalition forces.

"If Saddam Hussein were to use chemical and biological weapons, this would change the situation completely and immediately for the French government," Jean-David Levitte said.

Looks like they are going to have to rethink their position because Iraq is definetely going to use chemical weapons.

 

[mypfizzle]

i hope this ends fast.. i have friends over there that i would like to see sometime before summer. who knows maybe the iragis will just start to give up like they did last time.
In all honesty.. when there is a declaired war u can expect civilian casualties.. the bad thing about what happened to us was not only was there no war when asshole crashed the plane into the towers but he also wasnt aiming at any military.. he was aiming for women, children and normal everyday men. kinda screwed right.
and sadam supports this asshole. we all know he does.. we gave him a chance. hey.. exile your country and we wont blow the thing to a pile of rubble.. he didnt go so hopefully unlike his daddy bush jr will get in there and finnish something..

 

[saided18]

Big_ben the Alley Supreme Comander Westly Clark resign right after the war in Kosova? I think so and it was all b/c he was soooo angrany witht he way Clinton conducted the war he rather leave then serve under him in NATO. Thats pretty bad if the comander of the European Theater leaves the military.

Some things that happened.

He requested the use of Apache helicopters to be used in Kosova. He moved them from Germany to Albanian but Clinton never gave him the go ahead to use them.

He requested the use of a limited number of ground troop to go in and invade Kosova. Never got it.

He ask to arm and help the KLA freedom fighters fight the serbians. Denied!!

He did everything wrong but yet people think Bill Clinton is the best President that eery lived! and it's sad b/c he is te worst President that ever lived andaot of the poblems we have today are b/c of him!

 

[big_ben]

What did I say? Tommy Franks, my bad, I meant Clark. I'm out of it today. I got to eat lunch with him in Macedonia once, he's a really cool down to earth guy.

 

[big_ben]

He requested the use of Apache helicopters to be used in Kosova. He moved them from Germany to Albanian but Clinton never gave him the go ahead to use them.

That's the only thing I somewhat agree with. There were so many men on the ground with surface to air missiles that it was too much of a risk. The one thing that Serbia can teach us is that mountain warfare is DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE. You can not win mountain warfare without a massive ground invasion. There are too many places men and equiptment can hide. We found all sorts of stuff in the first 3 months, then as they were figuring out we were using UAV's, they dug in deep and camoflauged everything very well. We couldn't find s***.

He ask to arm and help the KLA freedom fighters fight the serbians. Denied!!

Man, you know your stuff. Not many people know that the resistance force went by the name KLA. (Kosovo Liberation Army)

he is te worst President that ever lived andaot of the poblems we have today are b/c of him!

I don't know, I think it may be a tie between him and Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is a pasifist. He let everyone walk all over him like a damn rug.

But yeah, Clinton was a closet coward. He was a damn good actor though. He'd always make it look like he was being tough, but in the shadows, he was simply just a b****.

 

[dialup]

Want to hear something more unbelievable is this other thing France said today. Get this not only would they about face and offer their "help" when Sadaam uses his biological weapons - they also want to be involved in deciding what to do with Iraq after they are defeated!! That really burns my ass. France can go to hell - if it weren't for their threatened veto of the UN resolution giving us a go-ahead for war there wouldn't be all this ire from everywhere coming at the US.

War of 1812 and Lafayette be damned, it's going to take alot to mend US-France relations.

Oh, look at this, France is following their typical pattern. They are starting to fall in behind the US. Here is a quote from CNN.com.



Looks like they are going to have to rethink their position because Iraq is definetely going to use chemical weapons.