This is why H rated tires suck!

[Protege52003]

i was actually half curious how fast you could go with them on top before you topped out... for example if you can do 122 before you top out with them on... and then can do 110 only with them... than that is exact proof and theory of what I was explaining earlier

will have to find out some day....i have had my car close to 116 many miles ago (nothing on top) and when i have the boat/boats on top, you can feel the drag difference, especially of there is cross winds while driving fast......

sure it will make a difference.....

 

[TStar]

some things deeply confuse me with this video

1. don't know what he drives (p5 i guess) and i don't know if he drives auto or manual (in which gear)...
but if he's driving mt in 5th gear or auto he does have a problem.

when he hits 5,500 rpm he is at about 85mph..that's not nearly where it should be..even my 1.6zm delivers 182kmh(113mph)@5500rpm in 5th gear, the p5 should hit the 5,500 rpm with even more speed.... i can only imagine a few things causing so much resistance on the road ...a load of 300kg of additional weight... tires which only have half as much air pressure as they're supposed to have etc...

2. what really confuses me is that the sudden rpm drop at almost exactly at 6krpm to exactly 4krpm...-without- some rough behaviour of the car/engine when losing 2krpm within the blink of an eye....
i would guess there's something deeply wrong with the electronics in the car..according to what i see i would say "rev limiter" at once, but taking the rpm/kmh into my consideration i would say the man has some serious problem, whether with his electronics or with his fuel deliverance/injection...

i would go look for a dealer right now, this must be fixed.

 

[TurfBurn]

some things deeply confuse me with this video

1. don't know what he drives (p5 i guess) and i don't know if he drives auto or manual (in which gear)...
but if he's driving mt in 5th gear or auto he does have a problem.

when he hits 5,500 rpm he is at about 85mph..that's not nearly where it should be..even my 1.6zm delivers 182kmh(113mph)@5500rpm in 5th gear, the p5 should hit the 5,500 rpm with even more speed.... i can only imagine a few things causing so much resistance on the road ...a load of 300kg of additional weight... tires which only have half as much air pressure as they're supposed to have etc...

regardless of what car... if the transmission is the same... MT or AT and same gear ratios... it does not matter how much power you do or don't have you will go the same speed at that same gear... so if his gearing is the same as yours at 5500 rpm's you will BOTH do the exact same speed, can never do anyting other than that... but your extra load or low pressure in the tires are valid reasons as to how he could be running out of steam as the speed rises.

2. what really confuses me is that the sudden rpm drop at almost exactly at 6krpm to exactly 4krpm...-without- some rough behaviour of the car/engine when losing 2krpm within the blink of an eye....
i would guess there's something deeply wrong with the electronics in the car..according to what i see i would say "rev limiter" at once, but taking the rpm/kmh into my consideration i would say the man has some serious problem, whether with his electronics or with his fuel deliverance/injection...

It looked just like a gear shift to me... most likely done by an auto because of the smoothness of the drop, but possible a decent manual shift by him.
Fue, ignition, etc would not cause that and an electronics problem would cause needle twitching and so forth... everything is very smooth and controlled, so there isn't a malfunction.

i would go look for a dealer right now, this must be fixed.

I don't think there is anything to fix... I think he just doesn't have enough power... but no idea what he has for a car or motor though to determine that for sure.

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I dont think he's coming back....

 

[gt3_dk]

I don't think I was sober last night... (ughdance)

(PC comin up... (screwy) )

Okay, so I guess I must promptly apologize with great meaning to all vendors on this forum. Being part of the terrorist group that frightens away newcomers to this forums, I feel immensly responsible for driving away potential customers, especially since he hisellf has precisely stated: "I am a newbie with lots to offer...", which to me sounds like he was ready to take out a $10kUSD (approx. $12,295.0006 for us Canadian folks who shake their head at rubbish numbers they do cannot comprehend.) loan to empty all your shelves. I apologize once again, I realize I must reflect previous to my forum postings, possibly writing a few rough copies and passing it around to a few editors to make sure we can agree without our feelings being hurt.

(braindead

 

[TurfBurn]

I don't think I was sober last night... (ughdance)

(PC comin up... (screwy) )

Okay, so I guess I must promptly apologize with great meaning to all vendors on this forum. Being part of the terrorist group that frightens away newcomers to this forums, I feel immensly responsible for driving away potential customers, especially since he hisellf has precisely stated: "I am a newbie with lots to offer...", which to me sounds like he was ready to take out a $10kUSD (approx. $12,295.0006 for us Canadian folks who shake their head at rubbish numbers they do cannot comprehend.) loan to empty all your shelves. I apologize once again, I realize I must reflect previous to my forum postings, possibly writing a few rough copies and passing it around to a few editors to make sure we can agree without our feelings being hurt.

(braindead

You still missed the overall point. It is continuing the general attitude and those kinds of posts that are the entire reason we now have forum areas like purgatory and why people don't ask questions that they should. The fact of one instance is not the issue, it is the habitual act of members of these forums of doing what you and others did to this guy (regardless of whether he was for real or not, or whether he deserved it or not) that causes a problem and pushes people away from these forums. How do you know that there weren't 15 or 20 more people that read the post and the subsequent attacks thereafter that didn't then have their opinion or view of this forum degraded? I have talked with other protege owners and encouraged them to get on the forums and have had some say they were on here but there were too many idiots and jerks so they don't come on here any more. How many more people out there that have the same story? How many user names does Antoine have that are not active because they got fed up with flame wars and personal attacks?

Just because it is a forum and the internet and we don't know everyone's names or where they live doesn't mean it gives us a free pass to be immature, banal, and foolish.

 

[gt3_dk]

You still missed the overall point. It is continuing the general attitude and those kinds of posts that are the entire reason we now have forum areas like purgatory and why people don't ask questions that they should. The fact of one instance is not the issue, it is the habitual act of members of these forums of doing what you and others did to this guy (regardless of whether he was for real or not, or whether he deserved it or not) that causes a problem and pushes people away from these forums. How do you know that there weren't 15 or 20 more people that read the post and the subsequent attacks thereafter that didn't then have their opinion or view of this forum degraded? I have talked with other protege owners and encouraged them to get on the forums and have had some say they were on here but there were too many idiots and jerks so they don't come on here any more. How many more people out there that have the same story? How many user names does Antoine have that are not active because they got fed up with flame wars and personal attacks?

Just because it is a forum and the internet and we don't know everyone's names or where they live doesn't mean it gives us a free pass to be immature, banal, and foolish.

Dude... I totally agree with you with what you say but it all depends how you take the flame and what it's about. If someone is saying that person is absolutely wrong becaues they are saying nonsense like "DONT BUY H RATED TIRES!!!!" then that is fine. He should of asked: "is it cuz of my tires?". If someone would of called him stupid just for that, then that person would be a complete asshole.

Ok well here is my point in a way that might make more sense.

Someone getting flamed because he is ignorant (and innocent), ie not thinking e knows it all wihile still asking a question. Then that is a stupid reason to flame someone.

If someone sais "DONT BUY AEM INTAKE" because they had trouble installing it, then they should be flamed hardcore for being an idiot.

Most pople don't care about being flamed as long as it's not personal. I've been flamed before and I don't give a s***. I never left a forum from being flamed and I never will. Thats like beeing scared to go back to the mall because some tough looking italian kid told you he didnt want to see your face around there again. If your a wimp youll listen, otherwise youll go. Who cares what other epople think or want? What's important is that there are still epople who can help you on the forums. I'm sure some people who are very useful in these forums (who help a lot) just skip threads like this to avoid flaming that person themselves.

 

[jeremyfl]

This is the last I will post about this as it seems this is a misunderstanding.

I never condoned his comment about the music being ghey, I merely said that his post was funny and it was. If you read it, I mean really read it, it is a funny post.

Again read his reworded post, he even offers to help at the end. So come on give us a break and learn to laugh.

In what way did I fail in any expectation that you should have of an authorized vendor? My point was from the start and very clear that you were condoning the kind of mentality and activity on this forum that causes so many problem. How in any way was his statement about the music in the video productive, positive, or useful? So you want to encourage people to at any time make any kind of obscene statement they so choose because they differ in opinion on someone's taste? In this case in music? My statement was very clear from the beginning that my asking him to edit his statement had nothing to do with being PC or being Uptight but rather showing some respect and patience for a newer member. Using slurs to describe someone's video post is nothing but degrading to that member and any point or question that they had. While my word choice of "asshat" may be somewhat stronger than the other option of "jerk" it was intended solely to provide some emphasis to the fact that the behavior you were condoning was more than the average internet jerk routine.

How was I in any way being a jerk? I never once directed my statements directly toward either of you... my statement if you read it closely (and think about it.. because it was well though out) stated that it would be easy for him to construe that the forum was filled with jerks/asses/whatever you choose because his single post was met with nothing more than a series of flames about his choice in soundtrack and his possible lack of knowledge on a point of technicality in tire construction. So if you post up an image asking a tech question that may seem obvious to the rest of us, but not to you and you use a pink box to indicate what you want I should refer to your post with slander about the pink box rather than constructively pursue your question?

And my last statement regarding the CF hoodpins was purely for levity (which orphman got) because CF and NOS are the typical run of the mill jokes used in the car communities to say that something shouldn't be taken too seriously. I did not direct it toward you personally or anyone else... and wouldn't intend to do so.

The mentality that mods are the only ones who can regulate or indicate bad form on the forums is similar to a mentality that because you know your buddy is out ripping off rims or smashing windows on the cars it isn't your responsibility to say anything and you'll just have to wait until the cops step in instead.

My statements were intended toward a mature and constructive point, condoning statements like was made earlier does no one any good. If you do not take those statements at that level of maturity and understanding then I guess you could take them to be less than what they were.

I care more about my reputation as someone there to help and to answer questions regardless of how "stupid" they may appear to someone than whether or not I will cater whim and fancy to someone looking to be a jerk. If I lose a sale because I'm willing to stand up for a mentality and a thought process that helps better the forums and encourages new members to ask questions regardless of how simple the answer may be then so be it as I'd rather conduct my business honorably than by degrading anyone whether they may buy form me or not.

If you can't see and understand that in my comments than so be it. I don't make money (have yet to put a dime in my pocket), and I started the company purely because I was tired of crappy vendors who wouldn't answer questions, didn't follow up on orders, and who marked up products unnecessarily. I will stay true to those reasons for this business and I will continue to defend the right of anyone to ask questions regardless of how silly or incorrect or how valid or technical they might be and their right to be able to ask them without fear of being ridiculed by the immature and ignorant.

 

[TStar]

It looked just like a gear shift to me... most likely done by an auto because of the smoothness of the drop, but possible a decent manual shift by him.
Fue, ignition, etc would not cause that and an electronics problem would cause needle twitching and so forth... everything is very smooth and controlled, so there isn't a malfunction.
I don't think there is anything to fix... I think he just doesn't have enough power... but no idea what he has for a car or motor though to determine that for sure.

then i dont get the meaning of the video...
he showed us the vid to state that something is wrong with his car when going over 100mph....?

- if i assume that he drives a MT:
1st gear 3.416:1
2nd gear 1.842:1
3rd gear 1.290:1
4th gear 0.972:1
5th gear 0.775:1
Final drive 3.850:1 (4.105:1 for my ESPEC ZL,ZM)
then the vid must have shown his shift from 4th to 5th... which would def not result in a 2krpm drop (rather 800-1kprm) and he would of course be able to accellerate further (no matter what engine..even the e-spec B3 engine (1324ccm) delivers 162kmh/100mph in 5th gear @ 5500 rpm (but in reality it will go further...))

- if i assume that he drives a AT:
1st gear 2.816:1
2nd gear 1.497:1
3rd gear 1.000:1
4th gear 0.725:1
Final Drive 3.904:1
then the drop would be the shift from 3rd to 4th gear in the AT transmission (which suits the 2krpm drop a little more, but still not really : )...i mean,i've never seen the AT in the 2.0 "live" while driving (we don't have the AT down here with the 2.0l engine), but does it really shift as late as 6krpm?

in both cases the car is missing the smallest bit of accelleration in the top gear. this simply makes me think that something must be wrong with that car.
i drive autobahn pretty often and i do a lot of things, and of course i had my windows open at about 160kmh/100mph just for fun but it was always the sound and the pressure of the air that made ME brake down, the car never had probs accellerating further ^^

btw: a slipping clutch could also result in such a mismatch of rpm/mph...

don't get me wrong, this shouldnt become some theoretical smartarse thread, but i'm always interested in such "weird" problems..so i'm looking for an answer...

if i was free to take a guess, i would say mazda forgot to build the right top gear into his transmission (drunk)

and yes, the guy won't come back i guess (dunno) why do you people ruin so many threads?

 

[TurfBurn]

Jeremy and GT3... just for the record I'm fine with you guys... but I do and will call out when people on the forums make things more hostile than they should. I don't think there is a reason to flame someone ever.... well I guess it makes at least some sense though if they were flaming someone... but regardless... Yes people should have a thick skin and deal with some of the stuff.. but enough don't. I HATE PC... I've gotten chewed before because I called a woman a "chick" and that was not PC... and plenty of other stupid examples.... we get way too much sensitivity and harassment training where I work (regular job) so it has probably worn off on me a little much ... but anyway... cool whatever... we all good... just play nice once in a while if you can .

 

[TurfBurn]

then i dont get the meaning of the video...
he showed us the vid to state that something is wrong with his car when going over 100mph....?

we believe he was trying to say the rating of the tires was what eliminated his ability to go over 100 mph and that was what he was trying to show.

Nice to see the research and solid thought process there with your gear ratios etc!

I have seen 2.0L auto's shift as late as 6600 rpm's... so 6000 wouldn't be a problem at all...

I think his car simply lacks the power and can't do more than 100 mph... and when it shifts into the last gear or goes into overdrive etc/whatever the motor becomes overloaded and loses to the other forces actingo n the car.

And yep a slipping clutch will result in a mismatch... and obviously a torque converter generates an automatic mismatch and can lead to additional mismatches due to other reasons if major issues are present... but I don't think that is happening here.

and yes, the guy won't come back i guess (dunno) why do you people ruin so many threads?

I'm often amazed when I even find a really good pure thread in general .

 

[gt3_dk]

Jeremy and GT3... just for the record I'm fine with you guys... but I do and will call out when people on the forums make things more hostile than they should. I don't think there is a reason to flame someone ever.... well I guess it makes at least some sense though if they were flaming someone... but regardless... Yes people should have a thick skin and deal with some of the stuff.. but enough don't. I HATE PC... I've gotten chewed before because I called a woman a "chick" and that was not PC... and plenty of other stupid examples.... we get way too much sensitivity and harassment training where I work (regular job) so it has probably worn off on me a little much ... but anyway... cool whatever... we all good... just play nice once in a while if you can .

HAhaha I love that training... it makes the first few days of every job fun.

Trainer: "Ok do you get it?"
Me: "Hm... maybe jut one last time..."
*15 minutes*
Trainer: "And thats that!"
Me: "Hmm.. okay so whats the thing you did after the thing? - Yeah that.. why do we have to do that again?"
Trainer: blahblahblah...
*15 minutes*
Me: Wow... too much info for so little time. I'll go take a bathroom break... Don't leave me alone now!!!

 

[Protege52003]

i was actually half curious how fast you could go with them on top before you topped out... ... than that is exact proof and theory of what I was explaining earlier

i would not be a hard car to chase....."we have a speeding black hatchback with two kayaks on top (yellow and purple)......requesting help ahead....!!!"

i would be one easy car to find.......

-R

 

[TurfBurn]

i would not be a hard car to chase....."we have a speeding black hatchback with two kayaks on top (yellow and purple)......requesting help ahead....!!!"

i would be one easy car to find.......

-R

Just drive it into the lake and you'd be amphibious

Wow this thread is one hellish pile of crap.

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

(werd)

Wow this thread is one hellish pile of crap.

 

[Protege52003]

Just drive it into the lake and you'd be amphibious

Wow this thread is one hellish pile of crap.

guess the thread got a little off topic........

 

[TurfBurn]

guess the thread got a little off topic........

there were really only brief moments of on topicness... I think it mostly has been off-topic...

Dumpster call!

We can argue now about how tread ratings on tires are meaningless between brands if we want

New thread idea: 180AA tires suck!

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

I still like the fact that the User that started this hasnt responded or even been on in 2 days LMAO

 

[TurfBurn]

is your screenname mean f**k mitsubishi? any reason why if so?

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

yes its a long story....but mitsubishis suck thats why