Thinking hard about replacing my MS3 with...

[camrycev6]

totally agree.

See my post above about the massive price difference.

 

[ecniemann]

Thanks for the input everyone! Some comments:

Regarding the 370Z --- Yes, it is fast, but I really don't like the look that much, and I owned a G35 (that I had supercharged), and I have been there and done that.

The G8 GXP has 400HP and weights as much as the Camaro. The Camaro is about 3800 pounds (600 more than my MS3), and is pushing 422 HP. I don't know what others have been reading, but if you do a little research "they" are saying is is going to do a sub 5 (albeit not by much) 0-60. I hardly call that "slow" as someone posted.

I really do like the 335i, but after you tack on just a few options, the car is sitting at $46K. That is 10K more than a top of the line loaded Camaro. Granted... I know they are different styles of cars, but it isn't like the 2SS isn't loaded with some nice technology features as well.

I ruled out the Genesis Coupe because the 3.8 V6 at 306HP just won't motivate it any faster than about a 6 second 0-60. And before any one says it, that is not the most important thing (acceleration) to me. I simply just don't want to step down from my MS3 in that regard. Looks, features, price, reliablity, and practicality are all equally important along with acceleration.

I think you might have misread something. Addressing your points:

1) True. But define a decent deal. I don't mind paying near MSRP for a car in certain cases
2) Who cares? Nobody buys a sports car, much less a $35K car and worries about gas.
3) This is standard on all versions of the 2010 Camaro.
4) For the top of the line 2 SS Camaro, with every option except a automatic transmission (RS package, sunroof, white stripe option, 20" polished wheerls, etc.) the MSRP is $37K. So I am not sure why you think a $35K would "Bare bones." I personally don't want a sunroof, RS package, or a white stripe package, so mine would be $34,650 --- and that is loaded.

Kinda sounds like you already have your mind made up, but want some validation.

 

[tunersteve]

If you want a V8, your only options for your price are the Camaro and the Mustang. Go sit in the Camaro first before you make a decision though, from my personal experience, it doesn't feel very well though out inside. Beltlines are too high, and the radio looks (and feels) like a Game Boy. If you're dropping that much on a car, it better be exactly what you want.

 

[Nliiitend1]

i didnt see really any similarities between the k-series motors and mitsu's maybe im wrong but can you show my how the k motors and mitsu motors are truely related

ford, mazda volvo share motors between platforms. what car is a kseries motor in besides a dodge, show me what mitsu motor is in the srt4 or caliber

i know that the gen coupes are using mitsu motors

Where the Hell are you pulling this "K-series" business from??

The 2.4 liter engines used in the Caliber share architecture with the Mitsubishi 2.4 liter 4B12 engine found in the Outlander and Lancer.

 

[tunersteve]

Where the Hell are you pulling this "K-series" business from??

The 2.4 liter engines used in the Caliber share architecture with the Mitsubishi 2.4 liter 4B12 engine found in the Outlander and Lancer.

And built about 40 minutes from my house in Dundee, MI.

 

[240ka]

2.4 Turbo
The turbocharged EDV/EDT is similar to the regular EDZ. Output is 245 hp (183 kW) SAE (172 kW) at 5300 rpm with 260 ftlbf (339 Nm) of torque at 2200-4400 rpm.

The engine, code A855, has a cast iron closed deck block and split crankcase. It uses an 8.1:1 compression ratio with Mahle cast eutectic aluminum alloy pistons, forged connecting rods with cracked caps and threaded-in 9 mm rod bolts, and a cast high-hardness steel crankshaft. The cylinder head is cast aluminum, with the cylinder heads being a 48-degree pent-roof design with a partial cloverleaf between the intake valves. The valves are actuated by hydraulically-adjusted rocker arms with roller cam followers.

The SRT-4 and PT Cruiser Turbo use the same engine block and heads The intake manifold, turbo plumbing, and intercooler are all different. The cast-aluminum 8-row Valeo intercooler is mounted in the front, and the reverse-rotation Mitsubishi TD04LR-16Gk turbocharger has a 6 cm (1 sq in) turbine inlet. The turbocharger compressor housing features a built-in bypass valve, and the turbo housing is cast into the exhaust manifold with a loop-around flow pattern. The stock SRT-4 has a maximum boost level of 15 psi (100 kPa) Applications:

Chrysler PT Cruiser GT
Dodge SRT-4
Dodge Stratus R/T (Mexican)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chrysler_engines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_K_engine

 

[Nliiitend1]

Dude, you're talking about the Neon SRT4/PT Cruiser Turbo engine, which is not the same engine that's in the Caliber SRT4...

The engine that was originally mentioned (and which shares it's lineage with the 2.0 liter turbocharged Hyundai version) was the GEMA engine that is offered in the Caliber SRT4, not the old "K-series" SRT4 motor that was in the Neon SRT4 and the PT Cruiser Turbo.

 

[tunersteve]

Does it really matter about the motor in a car he's not even comparing?

 

[Nliiitend1]

Sorry.

I just don't really want misinformation floating around.








...and now back to the discussion at hand...

 

[240ka]

Dude, you're talking about the Neon SRT4/PT Cruiser Turbo engine, which is not the same engine that's in the Caliber SRT4...

The engine that was originally mentioned (and which shares it's lineage with the 2.0 liter turbocharged Hyundai version) was the GEMA engine that is offered in the Caliber SRT4, not the old "K-series" SRT4 motor that was in the Neon SRT4 and the PT Cruiser Turbo.

oh my bad, i didnt noticed the "non-boosted" part. i was talking about the srt-4s engine

 

[tunersteve]

Moving on....

 

[Nliiitend1]

Sorry, I just can let it go yet...

oh my bad, i didnt noticed the "non-boosted" part. i was talking about the srt-4s engine

THE TURBOCHARGED CALIBER SRT4 ENGINE ALSO SHARES PLATFORMS WITH THE MITSUBISHI 2.4L NATURALLY ASPIRATED VARIANTS USED IN THE OUTLANDER AND LANCER.



Could I be any clearer?

 

[AtlM5]

Does handling play a factor, because if so, that Camero isn't for you.

Thanks for the input everyone! Some comments:

Regarding the 370Z --- Yes, it is fast, but I really don't like the look that much, and I owned a G35 (that I had supercharged), and I have been there and done that.

The G8 GXP has 400HP and weights as much as the Camaro. The Camaro is about 3800 pounds (600 more than my MS3), and is pushing 422 HP. I don't know what others have been reading, but if you do a little research "they" are saying is is going to do a sub 5 (albeit not by much) 0-60. I hardly call that "slow" as someone posted.

I really do like the 335i, but after you tack on just a few options, the car is sitting at $46K. That is 10K more than a top of the line loaded Camaro. Granted... I know they are different styles of cars, but it isn't like the 2SS isn't loaded with some nice technology features as well.

I ruled out the Genesis Coupe because the 3.8 V6 at 306HP just won't motivate it any faster than about a 6 second 0-60. And before any one says it, that is not the most important thing (acceleration) to me. I simply just don't want to step down from my MS3 in that regard. Looks, features, price, reliablity, and practicality are all equally important along with acceleration.

 

[AtlM5]

Or a very nice C5 Z06 for a MS3 trade in.

[looks around] gentleman? ME? i wouldn't buy a NEW Z06, you can pick up a 2007 w/ <10k miles in the high $40s.

 

[BOOSTR]

2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8. Badass car.

 

[AtlM5]

Yeh, it's alright. Nonfunctional hood scoops, and a true muscle car(No Handling capabilities).

2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8. Badass car.

 

[Kain]

Sorry, I just can let it go yet...




THE TURBOCHARGED CALIBER SRT4 ENGINE ALSO SHARES PLATFORMS WITH THE MITSUBISHI 2.4L NATURALLY ASPIRATED VARIANTS USED IN THE OUTLANDER AND LANCER.



Could I be any clearer?

I lawl'd. innanets.

 

[BOOSTR]

Yeh, it's alright. Nonfunctional hood scoops, and a true muscle car(No Handling capabilities).

I thinks its a much better retro representation than the lil bow tie offering! With 425 hp/420 tq you do not need ram air effect. Definitley a muscle car that has been refined a bit. I would not call (Skid pad performance of 0.88 g) exactly poor for handling.

I saw a test last Sunday on the speed channel comparing the 2008 & 2009 SRT8's driving on the salt flats, racetrack and strip. It was at home on all courses. Its much more than raw muscle.

 

[AtlM5]

64.5 around the slalom isn't great either...watch the top gear where they come to the states to test the srt8, zr1, and the cts-v...i believe they said it had "numb steering" and "horrific body roll"...that was when they were on the mountain road, not driving on the highway...

I thinks its a much better retro representation than the lil bow tie offering! With 425 hp/420 tq you do not need ram air effect. Definitley a muscle car that has been refined a bit. I would not call (Skid pad performance of 0.88 g) exactly poor for handling.

I saw a test last Sunday on the speed channel comparing the 2008 & 2009 SRT8's driving on the salt flats, racetrack and strip. It was at home on all courses. Its much more than raw muscle.

 

[240ka]

Sorry, I just can let it go yet...




THE TURBOCHARGED CALIBER SRT4 ENGINE ALSO SHARES PLATFORMS WITH THE MITSUBISHI 2.4L NATURALLY ASPIRATED VARIANTS USED IN THE OUTLANDER AND LANCER.



Could I be any clearer?

ok then, they arent mitsu motors then. those are chrysler motors in the mitsu or mitsu used chryslers platform for the motor.

so still, those arent mitsu motors, those are chrysler motors