Decent when you have more than half of when new tread depth. Year 1 I usually do ok and leave them but once most AS tires have about 15-20k on them the snow/ice capability is severely reduced obviously displayed by mr forester trying to milk his one more year and shouldn't have been out in a storm with compromised rubber. Had geolanders on our old xt and it was ok but I replaced them @30 with nokian wr- much better snow tilted all weather tire. Running Pirelli ice and snows now and very happy to have them for Nemo and they handle great in dry and wet conditions too. They used to carry 225/65-17s i have on crv but now I don't find them on tr.