so if you don't give an ef bout the caliber in a straight line yet you say you'd kill it...what has your car done on autox track? since that's obviously where you think it is the better vehicle right? where have you run the car? what track?
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so if you don't give an ef bout the caliber in a straight line yet you say you'd kill it...what has your car done on autox track? since that's obviously where you think it is the better vehicle right? where have you run the car? what track?
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OK, this is getting annoying... This is all talk and no action.
Someone, find a SRT-4 Caliber owner and a MS3 owner, preferably both cars stock and go to a drag strip and an autocross course.
Whoever wins, wins... End of story...
Then there will be discussions on which car is better to mod and which yields more power... (blah)
This is what you guys will need to learn!!!
There will always be a faster car than yours no matter what. There will always be a better handling car than yours. There will always be a better driver than you. Always will, no matter how much money you spend in your car...
Just wait for the magazines to do a shoot out with these cars...
Who cares which is faster, more powerful, better handling...as long as you are happy with what you have...
The end... (lol2)
Someone, find a SRT-4 Caliber owner and a MS3 owner, preferably both cars stock and go to a drag strip and an autocross course.
Whoever wins, wins... End of story...
Then there will be discussions on which car is better to mod and which yields more power... (blah)
This is what you guys will need to learn!!!
There will always be a faster car than yours no matter what. There will always be a better handling car than yours. There will always be a better driver than you. Always will, no matter how much money you spend in your car...
Just wait for the magazines to do a shoot out with these cars...
Who cares which is faster, more powerful, better handling...as long as you are happy with what you have...
The end... (lol2)
Nope, not auto-x. I don't auto-x, too boring (around here, small lots), I drive Deal's Gap, and other backroads.
See my avatar? That's the place, and my old workplace (www.dealsgap.com). 318 turns, 11 miles.
Don't give two s**** about straight line performance at all. Sorry.
I used to smoke SRT-4's almost on a daily basis (I worked at Deal's Gap for a long time) in my regular 1997 Dodge Neon sport, so I am not impressed with any SRT4 at all. Not a Dodge hater, I own one, they just don't handle.
My car is just now done, so I will be attending a couple track days at Road Atlanta later this year.
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now I am not doubting that your car is handing beast at all here, but in reality you have no proof of how well your car would stack up to the caliber. If i were you i'd save face here and state that you think you'd beat it....don't you think that's more accurate since really it's an assumption at this point.
that would be like me saying my wrx would out handle a ferrari enzo at deal's gap because it handles well. in reality i have never run against one to really see...and since I, like you, have no DATA to compare times to...it's all speculation.
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these cars like 99.999% of every car that is tested by magazines always handles better and goes faster stock in peoples hands that drive them everyday. real world tests are where the real #'s are going to be. case in point are laloosh and driver311's ability to take the ms3 stock to faster times in the 1/4 than any magazine did.
I would, but there's no doubt in my mind that my MSP will out handle a stock Caliber SRT-4.
Oh, and you're probably not too far off about your WRX. I have kept up with a group of Ferraris in my aforementioned Dodge Neon. Had pics, but there gone with my old phone.
on the street i guess anything is possible but honestly...do you think you'd keep up with that same group of ferrari's on a autox track?
I dare so you would not.
Eh, auto-x isn't my thing. Dodging cones just didn't appeal to me much. Maybe it's the courses here, but I do not really enjoy it.
I do know that on a mountain pass just about nothing can touch this car. I've had little "touge" battles with quite a few cars that "should" be faster, and weren't, now maybe it's my driving that's got me confident in my car, but the car does play a large part.
I do know that on a mountain pass just about nothing can touch this car. I've had little "touge" battles with quite a few cars that "should" be faster, and weren't, now maybe it's my driving that's got me confident in my car, but the car does play a large part.
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well we'll see when those vehicles start hitting the roads in numbers. as of right now we all have no real world basis to go on. but i will tell you all again, straight from the horses mouth in Auburn Hills dont expect too much from the srt4 in the long run. even with the money they through into it they'd rather be building the srt8's and 10s than build the 4s the right way. it wont hold up in the wear and tear department that i can almost say for sure. And I saw someone here post something about the SS Cobalt, when was the last time chevy (let alone gm) did anything with a turbo on any vehicle that was worth a f*** other than the HD's and even then Ford always has them beat. secondly the ecotecs were blowing up without forced induction when i was working in shops let alone having a supercharger or turbo. beware of the defects that will show up with the Cobalt and HHR SSs. I swear you guys need to come to detroit and just put your ears to the ground and listen to what the engineers around here say. it's really scary. not to you guys dont know what you're talking about though. i'm just surrounded by the big three here.
deal's gap boy, on a road coarse, what do you call the area's btwn the turns? Think hard on this one. REason you burn car on deal's gap is because you knwo the road better then them. people dont push their cars to the limit on the street in fear of getting arresting or going off into a tree or oncoming car.
When my car carries more entry and exit speed every single turn, I always will always be faster than that damn dodge SRT-4 mini van every time, even on a road course with long straights, sorry.
You have to remember I said my car, not a stock MSP, so get that straight, because there's no effen way a Caliber SRT-4 is going to come close to my MSP on any type of technical backroad, just like I said. Whether I know the road or not.
I don't beat every car I've raced on roads that I know like the back of my hand. I've smoked plenty of "fast" cars on unfamiliar roads.
I also don't push my car to the limit, so I don't know where you going there. (shrug)
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so yea, ure comparing your modded msp to a stock caliber. ive said this before, mod for mod, stock for stock, you will get OWNED by a caliber on a road coarse with equal drivers.
btw just incase you dont think im some newb. i have more road course experience/autox experience.
heres a lil clip from a newspaper about my last 185whp specv set up for autox.
Autox: Taken from www.themclub.net
"Chris Laprus was dominating Class E in ’02 Sentra Spec-V accomplishing very fast 47.078 and taking 1st. Jason’s Herrera ’98 M3 developed technical problem just before the start, which made him switch to Edgar’s Cabrera ’98 Integra-R and move to class E from his usual C, where he finished 2nd with 47.924. Peter Day was close 3rd just 0.107 behind Jason.
trust me, equal drivers, equal tires, u will get owned mod for mod stock for stock
btw just incase you dont think im some newb. i have more road course experience/autox experience.
heres a lil clip from a newspaper about my last 185whp specv set up for autox.
Autox: Taken from www.themclub.net
"Chris Laprus was dominating Class E in ’02 Sentra Spec-V accomplishing very fast 47.078 and taking 1st. Jason’s Herrera ’98 M3 developed technical problem just before the start, which made him switch to Edgar’s Cabrera ’98 Integra-R and move to class E from his usual C, where he finished 2nd with 47.924. Peter Day was close 3rd just 0.107 behind Jason.
trust me, equal drivers, equal tires, u will get owned mod for mod stock for stock
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guarentee there are tons of cars that would smoke you. is your suspension stock or modified? why don't you go race an rx-8 through some twisties and see who gets their ass handed to them.
hey not everyone wants to mod their cars..wow a cai..but seriuosly..nitrous, fuel system, tune, exhaust, dp, turbos..it gets expensive and when you brake your only dd this is what happens...
you have to sit and wait till a new short block comes in. put it all in and wait wait wait..ive pulled 3 motors from my dd camaro, 2 from my mustang, one from a z28 maro, and never to be my mazda speed just to get 12s..ive learned that when im going to track a car,,its going to be a track car and thats what my new mustANg is for..
once you start modding you dont stop
i had to wait a month to get my dd mustang back on the road.. it was a 11.1 car and it got my nowhere
you go from this:
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A real tune with SCT software would prevented that...(boom07)
Until we get a real ECU solution, we are stuck at where we are now. Hopefully, Cobb will open the doors and from that point on, we will be making the same power as the CSRT4 guys. IT may be an ugly looking vehicle, but it will be fast and the tuners out there are already familiar with the ECU, not to mention 5X the aftermarket support.
People may not like my Lightning but i can mop up 70% of what shows up at the track with it and drive it home when im done. The point im making is, this is a fun car to drive and mod, but its definately not going to survive the track 3 times a week like my truck. Ill be happy with 375whp in my MS3 if they day comes. With the fines and punishment for street racing these days, its stupid not to goto the track to get it out of your blood. Just the MS3 cant hold up to that punishment for long periods of time.
People may not like my Lightning but i can mop up 70% of what shows up at the track with it and drive it home when im done. The point im making is, this is a fun car to drive and mod, but its definately not going to survive the track 3 times a week like my truck. Ill be happy with 375whp in my MS3 if they day comes. With the fines and punishment for street racing these days, its stupid not to goto the track to get it out of your blood. Just the MS3 cant hold up to that punishment for long periods of time.
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