Tec 2 (and standalone) questions, (maybe for SpoolinMp3) ???

[IS300GTE]

has anyone thought about a stand alone on the Protoge, with the new tec 3 out and a new haltech coming out, and the aem ecu, possibilites are endless. i don't know how much of you actually have stand alone experience, but it can be a pain, but the newer more advanced versions seem to be less of a PITA and more user friendly. since the mazda ecu will not be able to compensate for some of the power that some of you protoge owners are planning to make, it might be something to consider or look into. i personally am starting to take a liking the aem ecu




i have a couple of tec 2 questions for you (spoolin or whoever), since in the other thread you had said you had tuned your miata with the tec 2, you should be able to answer these for me, if not, i'll assume it was a typo and inquire to someone else that is familiar with the tec 2. if you aren't sure to the answer to one of the questions, just say so.

i'd appreciate it if you kept things civil, as it would be questionable if you weren't civil, just so that you could move this post.

i'll await your answer, if not, maybe someone else can respond to those.





1.) explain the specific method to upload a new file to the car (tec2) after changing parameters while driving around?

2.) explain the type of wire, and type of uplink used to go from the tec2 to the computer, as well as cable termination

3.) what is the maximum amout of fuel that you can remove for the coolant temp sensor correction factor? (for cold start parameters)



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4.) how many turbo cars have you owned? my answer is 5

"Secondly I perhaps have owned more turbo and F/I cars then you have ever owned.
How does 320 rwhp sound out of a stock 1.6 liter motor sound to ya??
That was my previous car before I was t-boned and the car was destroyed. That was on pump gas with a tec 2 at only 14psi of boost on a stock miata block. If you think thats not impressive then your ignorant and that was good for 12.3 1/4 with soft launching cuzr I kept breaking rear ends. Do I ever brag about this? Most people dont even know I owned this car because its not applicable to the forum. "

 

[spoolinmp3]

I am not going to even attempt to reply to any of your posts. Question 4 is immature and not in the scope of this forum. If you want to start flame wars go to the flame wars forum. And for the awnsers to your questions go here.

http://www.vishnutuning.com/bb/index.php
I have no interest in further communicating you via this forum.
please stop trolling
I am reporting this post to all moderators

 

[IS300GTE]

[hey, if you "have no interest in further communicating you via this forum" thats fine, but first i must ask why you call my answer to your question ("Question 4") immature? you asked that question of me here scroll to the third post on this page
here is the quote

"Secondly I perhaps have owned more turbo and F/I cars then you have ever owned. "

...and all i did was respond.

its not a flame war, or a flame, just a question that you claimed to have the knowledge to answer. if you can't answer it, no biggie, you must have made a typo when claiming that, its not the end of the world, just say so.

as for reporting this post to "the moderators" that shouldn't be an issue either, i'm not attacking you or breaking any forum rules

forum rules don't state that one member can't call another member out when he misinforms the forum of his tuning capabilities or makes a simple typing error. all my questions were legit, as well as my questions about standalone on the mp3 and comments on stand alone. its a very valid point that forced induction mp3 owners are going to need to address.

....awating some sort of reply

I am not going to even attempt to reply to any of your posts. Question 4 is immature and not in the scope of this forum. If you want to start flame wars go to the flame wars forum. And for the awnsers to your questions go here.

http://www.vishnutuning.com/bb/index.php
I have no interest in further communicating you via this forum.
please stop trolling
I am reporting this post to all moderators

post to all moderators [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[saided18]

IS300GTE

WTF is your problem. obviously you have some thing wrong with you to continue to attack him and won't leave him alone. HE DOES KNOW what he is talkin about and i think everyone on the Forum will agree with me. seriously get off his ass!!!

 

[IS300GTE]

i'm not attacking. if his claim was truth, he would have responded, cleared up any confusion and have been done with it.

that obviously wasn't the case, but its sad that he tries to ignore it instead of acknowledging it and getting past it.

i expect some of you to "stand up" for him, as he has a turbo mp3, which i know some of you admire, and he seems to have a reasonably decent grasp of turbocharged cars, and most of you probably regard him as the guru of this forum and of turbocharging the mp3.

i'm not "on his ass", but if i was, it would be because he stepped to me, and i am just discussing such.


if he was who he says he is, he'd respond to my questions or explain the typo, or just talk about putting a standalone on the mp3 forced induction applications, but no more tap dancing around it.

"IS300GTE

WTF is your problem. obviously you have some thing wrong with you to continue to attack him and won't leave him alone. HE DOES KNOW what he is talkin about and i think everyone on the Forum will agree with me. seriously get off his ass!!!"

 

[APEXistud]

I may have missed something, but what's the point you're trying to get across again?

 

[IS300GTE]

have you all thought about using stand alone on the forced induction cars?

has anyone done it yet. or is that unchartered territory?

 

[BigBlue]

have you all thought about using stand alone on the forced induction cars?

has anyone done it yet. or is that unchartered territory?

See if THIS were your original question rather than the questions you posted originally above which I'd have to assume you already know the answers to yourself, you wouldn't be getting flamed right now.

Spoolin is well respected here on the forums. Why? Not because he has ever claimed to be a F/I god or to know everything, but because he tries to help others with the knowledge he has and to encourage others to go the route that he has. Even if he didn't know the answers which is regardless, Spoolin has more than earned my respect for his assistance to others and the way he has made himself so approachable. You on the other hand, I have no doubt have great knowledge about the subject matter as well, but you come off as such an arrogant ass about it, you lose my respect and I'd say most of the others around here.

 

[big_ben]

Please don't feed the trolls. He obviously has a mommy and daddy with limitless cash flow and they spoil him with gifts because they dont want to deal with him. His mother probably kicks herself everytime she thinks about that morbid day she squirted him out her vag. Then she thinks to herself that the best part of him ran down the crack of her ass after he was out. So now they just spoil him with gifts so that he wont bother them and they dont have to parent him by beating his ass when he's an obnoxious asshole to others. His father probably thinks how great life would be without him around and now he resents his wife for getting pregnant.

So I request again, please don't feed the trolls, let him go back to bugging mommy and daddy for that new $3000 stand alone he's been eyeing in the pages of Super Street.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

I may have missed something, but what's the point you're trying to get across again?

From what I gather, there is no point to get across other than he is the turbo god. He asks questions in such a way that he is a professor giving us all an exam. Pretty arrogant if you ask me.

Chris

 

[Keith@FP]

Well, we've got years of standalone engine management experience - but since this is obviously intended as a test of reading comprehension of the TEC-2 manual instead of an actual request for info, I won't bother answering them directly.

The best way to wire in a different system would be to run it in parallel with the stock ECU. Let the other ECU run the fuel and timing, leaving the stock ECU for housekeeping. We are looking into what can be done with retuning the stock ECU to cut down the expense.

At the boost levels that can be supported by the stock bottom end, it could very well be that a full TEC/AEM/Haltech/whatever solution is overkill. With a built bottom end and 12 psi of boost, it would be a good way to go.

Keith

 

[IS300GTE]

well, i guess he left his helpful attitude at home that day when he challenged.
if he helps people, thats great, i can applaud that, as most people are too selfish to do so. the only reason i might come across arogant to you, is because you don't know me, yet you have an "online relationship" built up with spoolin. maybe spoolin has learned something hear though, always tell the truth, else it comes back to you.
if he hadn't came at me in such an agressive manner, i wouldn't have had to embarass him, either way, it is not of much value, so back to the topic at hand. he has obviously bowed out in disgrace, and there is no more point to talk about it, instead, speak of the stand alone topic, as you all might learn and or have something to contribute to that for your cars.

See if THIS were your original question rather than the questions you posted originally above which I'd have to assume you already know the answers to yourself, you wouldn't be getting flamed right now.

Spoolin is well respected here on the forums. Why? Not because he has ever claimed to be a F/I god or to know everything, but because he tries to help others with the knowledge he has and to encourage others to go the route that he has. Even if he didn't know the answers which is regardless, Spoolin has more than earned my respect for his assistance to others and the way he has made himself so approachable. You on the other hand, I have no doubt have great knowledge about the subject matter as well, but you come off as such an arrogant ass about it, you lose my respect and I'd say most of the others around here.

 

[IS300GTE]

what about additional injector setups? if the factory timing map is conservative enough and appropriate for turbocharging, letting the stock ecu fuel the first couple of pounds of boost and letting an additional injector setup fuel the rest might make for a great daily driven, smooth car. any experimentation with that?

Well, we've got years of standalone engine management experience - but since this is obviously intended as a test of reading comprehension of the TEC-2 manual instead of an actual request for info, I won't bother answering them directly.

The best way to wire in a different system would be to run it in parallel with the stock ECU. Let the other ECU run the fuel and timing, leaving the stock ECU for housekeeping. We are looking into what can be done with retuning the stock ECU to cut down the expense.

At the boost levels that can be supported by the stock bottom end, it could very well be that a full TEC/AEM/Haltech/whatever solution is overkill. With a built bottom end and 12 psi of boost, it would be a good way to go.

Keith

 

[IS300GTE]

if you want to post your ever so witty hypocritical commentaries
do it in the proper forum you damn newb!



and here is your chance to ...

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8922

Please don't feed the trolls. He obviously has a mommy and daddy with limitless cash flow and they spoil him with gifts because they dont want to deal with him. His mother probably kicks herself everytime she thinks about that morbid day she squirted him out her vag. Then she thinks to herself that the best part of him ran down the crack of her ass after he was out. So now they just spoil him with gifts so that he wont bother them and they dont have to parent him by beating his ass when he's an obnoxious asshole to others. His father probably thinks how great life would be without him around and now he resents his wife for getting pregnant.

So I request again, please don't feed the trolls, let him go back to bugging mommy and daddy for that new $3000 stand alone he's been eyeing in the pages of Super Street.

 

[Keith@FP]

what about additional injector setups? if the factory timing map is conservative enough and appropriate for turbocharging, letting the stock ecu fuel the first couple of pounds of boost and letting an additional injector setup fuel the rest might make for a great daily driven, smooth car. any experimentation with that?

To properly fuel with extra injectors, you need one per cylinder to get good fuel distribution. Using only one or two upstream injectors leads to inconsistent fuel delivery which won't be as smooth to drive. Ideally, you want to be able to control the factory timing map as well but that may not be necessary for up to 8 psi. As you may know, we use an AFPR to raise the fuel pressure under boost for our 8 psi kits. This ensures much more even fuel delivery.

We've got a Miata system similar to our Protege one, and another that uses most of the same plumbing with the addition of a full ECU replacement. I'm hunting through our dyno runs to find a run at similar boost on both kits with stock engines - no luck yet. Driveability would likely be better and I suspect there'd be another 15 hp or so. However, that 15 hp would be expensive. As I said earlier, I suspect that at these boost levels the standalone would be overkill.

Keith

 

[IS300GTE]

i totally agree with your additional injector opinions, there are controllers that will handle more than 2 injectors mounted right before the t/b or whatever.

the aic3 (expensive i know) will controll up to 8 injectors, now granted, it fires them in batch sequence, instead of phased sequential, but it ain't bad. i think that emanage might be able to be configured to fire 2 batches of 2 injectors as well for a 4 cylinder application, and as you know, there are many other aic controlling devices that might be more reasonable than the hks aic3 in terms of price.

i also agree with your fuel pressure statements. are you using a 1:1 with a higher base pressure, or a larger rising rate regulator with stock base pressure. i would imagine you could run 80 psi on the stockers without issue, as long as the pump can keep up. what size are the factory injectors?

 

[Keith@FP]

There are a large number of aux injector controllers out there. We're most familiar with the ones made by Link Electrosystems. One of them can retard timing as well as control 4 injectors (batched, I believe). Modifying the intake manifold for the extra injectors is often more expensive.

We're using a rising rate regulator. The factory pump is rated from 64-92 psi, and with a boost-triggered voltage clamp in place on the O2 sensor we get the factory ECU to help richen the mixture under closed-loop conditions so the pump is happy. Stock injectors are rated at 272-300 cc according to the factory manual.

Keith

 

[IS300GTE]

thats a pretty cool idea (the hobbs switch and voltage clamp)!

under the right fuel pressure levels the stockers could support approximately 230 chp @ 90 duty cycle. thats not bad at all.

modifying the manifold is expensive, but worth it to some that want the ultimate in drivability, gas mileage and power

if you have dynos, i wouldn't mind checking them out

There are a large number of aux injector controllers out there. We're most familiar with the ones made by Link Electrosystems. One of them can retard timing as well as control 4 injectors (batched, I believe). Modifying the intake manifold for the extra injectors is often more expensive.

We're using a rising rate regulator. The factory pump is rated from 64-92 psi, and with a boost-triggered voltage clamp in place on the O2 sensor we get the factory ECU to help richen the mixture under closed-loop conditions so the pump is happy. Stock injectors are rated at 272-300 cc according to the factory manual.

Keith

 

[YP5 Toronto]

What else needs to be undertood about your personality in person? as oppose to online? If you do not have the ability to communicate using the English language in the written form, I would hate to see how you communciate verbally. So please don't proclaim that we are the ones who have failed to understand who you are.

I've said this before, but look at your damn signature? You had that up when you started posting on this board. Could you please explain to us how to interpret it? Who does that?

If there has ever been a complete waste of "internet space", as vast and unending as it is, you are by far the "black hole" of waste. Its so unfortunate that someone or something created you and has placed you on this earth.

 

[slowyellowp5]

YP5...I might agree with you (as well as everyone else) but I still have to say that along as IS300 is talking about our cars instead of us (this is actually an interesting topic I am starting to learn something) than we should stay off his back. I say we keep the flame posts from both sides to a minimum.