TampaBlackMSP
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Mmmm, Audi. That's all I'll say.
Sportec S4 vs Stock STi
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Wow, do you really expect the RS3, which is not even available yet, to be in the price range as the STi? Not a chance. For what you'd pay for an STi, you can't get better than an A4 putting out about 220 HP, and I'm not even talking Quattro. What do you get with an STi? Are we still comparing apples with apples or do we have a fruit cocktail?
Black Majik MSP said:WOW, I have all kinds of replies to make...here goes:
I've checked before & the best stock time for an STi I've seen is 12.9 & the average time for good drivers is 13.2. Your friend obviously can't drive, but I know of STi & Stage III WRX owners who are just as bad.
Wrong, enter the RS3 (see attached pic)
S4s DO NOT run mid 11s with a grand in mods...for $1000, you'd probably only be able to get exhaust. Parts for the S4 are $$, probably some of the most expensive mods other than BMW.
And for my own comment...even though he got pwned, I love the sound of the STi's programmable shift beep (it's even more fun if you actually get to ride in one).
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Um..You can get a preowned B5 S4 for less than you pay for a new STi..where do you guys get this is ******* insane information? A new S4 isn't even close to the price range of the STi..but who buys a new S4 to go out and race it like a fucktard for bragging rights. You can even go look at URS4's and those ******* haul..not as sexy as the newer audi's, haul monster ass. Cheap(er) audi's to hook up are 5 Cylinder 20V turbo swaps into sedans (80-90's) OR 4.2L V8 swaps into B5 sedans or even into 80-90s and coupe's.
Well I'm sure we're all impressed with your knowledge of Audi's but comparing prices of new vehicles versus used is straying futher away from a fair comparison. I don't know who's ******* insane info you're referring to but my info is readily available to anyone. I didn't just pull them out of my ass.
SpicyMchaggis said:
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Like I said (& you further proved with your post), $1000 in mods on an S4 DOES NOT = mid 11s. (hand)SpicyMchaggis said:
Care to make a friendly wager on that? I think you grossly underestimate the B5 S4. There were tearing them up at waterfest.. An APR customer car was running 11.8's with only 1-2k in it..and it was all engine management. So what, i'm not trying to bark down on people about audi's..I don't own one..I'm just clearing up all the ******* bulls*** that people actually know about audi's..which around these parts, is almost none..so chill out..I'm not apologizing because I don't like the STi and Evo like everyone else on the planet..They are not some ultimate machine by any stretch of the imagination...Sorry I'm not stoked on big monster winged, attention grabbing awd machines..great performers..sure..but its not my thing..the audi's are..this flame is done..bottom line is..i've seen it..The fact that this whole comparrison is based on a NEW STi vs. a OLD S4..is completely pointless. It wasn't even a new audi..it was at least 3 years old..A whole new body style and motor has come since then..So just give it a rest..My New/Used comparision was dead on.
Roywhitep5
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how old was that sti driver?
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I don't know where on Earth you're getting your #s from, but the A4 3.0 WITH Quattro is the same price as an STi. The A4 1.8T Quattro is $10k less. The APR Stage III is only $5k & will easily allow you to beat an STi.YelPro03 said:
Even if it's close, guess what...you still have another $5k to spend on mods.
Definetly, the Stage III Gti's will waste an STi..Thats not the 1000$ i was talking about, but hey..those things do fly..APR makes awesome stuff.
TampaBlackMSP
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I've seen some seriously fast Audi's in my time...that's all I know.
But then I'd hope I would...they cost enough! (bang)
But then I'd hope I would...they cost enough! (bang)
The STi has a major stumbling block out of the gate, its ECU. With that out of the way or atleast tamed either by Vishnu Turboxs or Cobb (all for under $1K) the STi can start to make some real power. A kit with computer and exhuast are around $2200 that have been gaining up to 80+ hp. The downside is the car without a cat can easily over boost on some people. The next hurdle is that the turbo starts to loose juice as do some of the rest of the system.
It comes down to that the STi just hasn't been tested and experimented much yet in this country. Bare in mind this is a new engine with a new code so its gonna take time to really nail everything down. The real SUCK thing is that Subabru brought out so many new models that the tuners like CObb and Vishnu are spending all their time on R&D and not able to ship their products even though they list them for sale.
It comes down to that the STi just hasn't been tested and experimented much yet in this country. Bare in mind this is a new engine with a new code so its gonna take time to really nail everything down. The real SUCK thing is that Subabru brought out so many new models that the tuners like CObb and Vishnu are spending all their time on R&D and not able to ship their products even though they list them for sale.
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Look at what you keep saying: 1-2k...that's a $1000 range. I said it won't run mid 11s with $1000 in mods & I stand by that claim (I didn't say ABOUT $1000 or maybe $2000).SpicyMchaggis said:
Please don't assume that I also know nothing about Audis either. I know that most people underestimate them, but I was on VWvortex for about 2 years before I joined MSProtege. Feel free to look me up...the user name is Black_Magic. I know all about APR, I've seen their stuff in person too. I have personally met Hans Dahlback & Zerin Dube (being an Audi fan, I'm sure you know who he is). My old roommate is obsessed with the S4 & that's almost all he ever talks about. I know what the S4 can do & I'd prefer one of them over most other cars out there. I'm not flaming you, just clearing things up like you.
They cost a fortune to keep up..We have a fast one in my town..Fully RS4 converted B5..Similar to the one from PA in this months SCC. (He was at waterfest as well) He's easily got 450whp..Just disgusting power. Lots of money..But wretched excess. Of course comparing HP ratings is completely useless, since it realistically means nothing..He's fast. My buddy ran his low 12 second Tsi talon on him and got walked.
Ah no. the STi is $32,195Black Majik MSP said:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A4 1.8 T 5-speed FrontTrak</TD><TD width=3>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A4 1.8 T Auto multitronic CVT FrontTrak</TD><TD width=3>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top></TD><TD>A4 1.8 T 6-speed quattro</TD><TD width=3>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A4 1.8 T Auto Tiptronic quattro</TD><TD width=3>
From audi's website, the quatro A4 is only ~$4,000 less not $10K
The audi A4 3.0 quatro is closer but still $1200 more then the STi
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A4 3.0 6-speed quattro</TD><TD width=3>
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Alright, ya..I know your up on the vw/audi scene..I wasn't calling you out..Im just tired of everyone acting like audi's are some piece of s*** and S4's aren't that fast and how evo/sti's rule the world. I should of said under 2g's for the price..1-1.5k$ will EASILY put you into low 12's though (on an B5 S4)..Talking just with a engine management system. From there out, its exhaust and a K04R upgrade.
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The STi is an awesome car too. My friend has one & he was going to mod the hell out of it like his old car, but now he tells me he lost interest in cars. I don't get it, but then again, he's not even 18 yet. (scratch)1sty said:
his STi: http://www.milispeed.com/STi.html
his previous WRX (I wish he never sold it): http://www.milispeed.com/mods.html
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Screw the Audi website, look at Edmunds & check the invoice price. I'm sure you know that nearly every STi owner gets some kind of options too.1sty said:Ah no. the STi is $32,195
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A4 1.8 T 5-speed FrontTrak</TD><TD width=3></TD><TD class=text1 vAlign=top align=left width=50>$25,550</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A4 1.8 T Auto multitronic CVT FrontTrak</TD><TD width=3></TD><TD class=text1 vAlign=top align=left width=50>$26,700</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top></TD><TD>A4 1.8 T 6-speed quattro</TD><TD width=3></TD><TD class=text1 vAlign=top align=left width=50>$27,750</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A4 1.8 T Auto Tiptronic quattro</TD><TD width=3></TD><TD class=text1 vAlign=top align=left width=50>$28,800</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
From audi's website, the quatro A4 is only ~$4,000 less not $10K
The audi A4 3.0 quatro is closer but still $1200 more then the STi
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>A4 3.0 6-speed quattro</TD><TD width=3></TD><TD class=text1 vAlign=top align=left width=50>$33,240</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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