Spool Turbo bugs? (56K beware)

[spoolinmp3]

Here's a good shot of everything connected to the manifold. Well, everything with the exception of the wastegate and dumptube. I should have 4 bolts for the wastegate/dumptube, but all the bolts I got are used in this picture...I guess they just fogot to send them.

You need 2 brass colored screws from the wastgate to the manifold

I also noticed that there were some imperfections on the manifold where it meets up to the turbo. Now I know that there is a gasket that goes in between them, but I have a few significant imperfections that I think will impair it from sitting perfectly flat...

In all honesty I think you are over analyzing every little fitting and flange. They are all machined and will not leak. Some imperfections are caused by the ceramic coating process ect but will not affect fitment

I should also mention that while I only loosely put the bolts in by hand, the only bolts that felt like they "wanted" to go into the threads were the ones from the down pipe to the turbine. BTW-should there be a gasket between that connection? The kit didn't come with one, wasn't sure if it needed one or not.

No gasket from the downpipe to the turbo needed, remember you asked me this before

 

[spoolinmp3]

You will also need to trim the I/C bracket and drill them

 

[spoolinmp3]

And I'm not complaining so people dont hate. I understand you cant expect a perfect install with stuff like this.

Adam not a problem, we will resolve this issue. We will be installing a kit on a car in 2 weeks and will verify where the heck this dump tube needs to be

 

[igdrasil]

I TOLD YA!

See? The mani is ok.

Remember guys this is a custom job, and for what I saw on all those pictures, everything looks fine.

I have missing parts too (mostly bolts that I can get anywhere here), but I cant say anything cause' the kit is not yet completed for me. I hope by the end of the weekend I will have this completed and installed.

Kooldino, we are on the same route. We need the rest by this week.
I hope Terry can work this out.

 

[spoolinmp3]

We need the rest by this week.

I hope Terry can work this out.

I am on it like white on rice
Your parts should ship out this week.
The vacum T's, EGT gauge, bolts ect

 

[Kooldino]

Nope that mani is just fine

Are you sure? I'm really worried about it.

In regards to the imperfections on the flange it will work fine as well. Just make sure you utilize a new gasket on the block and torque it correctly

Now now Kooldino
We do not grind or port the manifolds. Justy like an oem application that is casted ect and has burrs If you want that ground down you will have to do it yourself

Just mentioning what people have told me. 2 of the exhaust ports look fine, and the other 2 are a little less smooth.

For the intercooler you use self tapping metal screws from the hardware store

Ok, what length/diameter/thread do I need?

No its the correct one

Definitely not. I actually took off my MAS today to try to put the filter onto it..they're the same size outer diameter of 3". The filter needs a 3.5" OD, or, more importantly a 3" ID to properly fit on my MAS.

We are seeming to have an issue with this. We will have to send you another one or like you stated you will get this modded anyways since you are dumping into the downpipe so jest get your guy to cut it and route it to where you need it. However this still needs to be fixed since other people have had issues.

Ok, cool. When you send the new one, just make sure it's the right size/thread hole to go to the wastegate (since both dump tubes I have are different sizes). Also, I need the 4 bolts for the wastegate.

The install manual specifies these are manifold bolts
they are used on the backside and you only need 2 of them

The manual I have doesn't mention the bolts at all (it doesn't have the inventory list at the front of it)...and nowhere in the install manual does it mention the manifold or which holes in the manifold these go into. These studs only fit in about half of the holes on my manifold, so I guess I have to grind/drill them out a hair fatter. I take it that the long end goes into the head and the shorter end sticks out on the "outside" of the manifold and I put the nut on there?

Also, i just opened my manifold->engine gasket to see if it took care of the gap issue, and there is still 1/8" gap. I don't think any amount of torque will straighten that out...

Anyway, gimme a call man.

 

[Kooldino]

You need 2 brass colored screws from the wastgate to the manifold

Also 2 other screw from the wastegate to the dump tube.

In all honesty I think you are over analyzing every little fitting and flange.

Better to be safe than sorry. And honestly, I'm really glad I did check up on everything...or I would have been really screwed during install time. I'm not trying to break your stones here, but pretty much everything I've pointed out is a valid problem that should be addressed.

They are all machined and will not leak. Some imperfections are caused by the ceramic coating process ect but will not affect fitment


No gasket from the downpipe to the turbo needed, remember you asked me this before

Sorry, I forgot. Just double checking. I just want this to go in right the first time.

 

[Kooldino]

Adam not a problem, we will resolve this issue. We will be installing a kit on a car in 2 weeks and will verify where the heck this dump tube needs to be

I'm tellin ya...make it about 130* elbow and you'll be good to go.

 

[Kooldino]

Re: I TOLD YA!

See? The mani is ok.

I'm not so sure yet.

Remember guys this is a custom job, and for what I saw on all those pictures, everything looks fine.

Custom job???? This is a standard Spool ITS kit...nothing custom about it. He's sold dozens of them.

And if you think that everything I took pics of looks fine, you need to re-read the thread. Some things may be ok, but things like the dump tube, for example, are wrong. Even Terry admits it.

I have missing parts too (mostly bolts that I can get anywhere here), but I cant say anything cause' the kit is not yet completed for me. I hope by the end of the weekend I will have this completed and installed.

Kooldino, we are on the same route. We need the rest by this week.
I hope Terry can work this out.

Ditto!

 

[spoolinmp3]

Are you sure? I'm really worried about it.

Yes

And if you think that everything I took pics of looks fine, you need to re-read the thread. Some things may be ok, but things like the dump tube, for example, are wrong. Even Terry admits it.

Thats true, thats the only thing that I see is wrong

I'm tellin ya...make it about 130* elbow and you'll be good to go.

We will get on this

Also 2 other screw from the wastegate to the dump tube.

You should have gotten this

Ok, what length/diameter/thread do I need?

Diameter and thread does not matter since you are tapping it yourself, the tapping screws should be about an inch long

Definitely not. I actually took off my MAS today to try to put the filter onto it..they're the same size outer diameter of 3". The filter needs a 3.5" OD, or, more importantly a 3" ID to properly fit on my MAS.

Hmm we sent out the filters with 3"id before and they were not fitting, so we the 2.5 inner ID

The manual I have doesn't mention the bolts at all (it doesn't have the inventory list at the front of it)...and nowhere in the install manual does it mention the manifold or which holes in the manifold these go into. These studs only fit in about half of the holes on my manifold, so I guess I have to grind/drill them out a hair fatter. I take it that the long end goes into the head and the shorter end sticks out on the "outside" of the manifold and I put the nut on there?

Here ya go

Just looked at some manifolds and they all look like yours, trust me if you torque it correctly you will have no probs

By the way your beeper is not in service I tried it twice and the # you provided has been busy for some while

 

[perfworks]

Another pic (a little out of focus)

this will happen in the welding proccess. the flange was over heated and not secured properly, but this can happen in any custom piece made by hand.
im sorry terry but this should have beem checked and milled before sent out . no gasket in the world can make that perfect again .

 

[perfworks]

There's another issue where the dumptube from the wastegate hits the center housing on the turbo. Terry sent me a replacement from my original that has a more obtuse angle, but it still doesn't quite cut it...

now i mentioned something about this before.
there is very little room to play with in these proteges so coming up with something IS tricky but after all the set ups sold already i cant see why this is still a problem that cant be fixed.
terry why dont you post some pics of your set up so these guys can see what you have installed .
and do you have the same set up ?
if so then im sure that you can come up with the solution .

 

[perfworks]

Re: That main is no good .

I would not put that on you car...
It will crack in time and will be a big pain later.
Have them send you another one....
And make sure it is true.
That is a poor job....

z, i have to agree with you on this

 

[igdrasil]

As far as I know, Terry is giving us 5 year warranty on his manifold.

 

[Kooldino]

Yup, 5 years. It's definitely good to have.


I figured I'd update you guys on all of this...

Terry and I spoke and came up with a few conclusions...

1-I'm sending the manifold back and he's having it machined perfectly flat for me and rushing it back to me this week so I can have it for my install on Friday. As important as the manifold is to the kit, we're better off making sure it's totally right. Thanks, Terry!

2-Terry is gonna send me another dumptube for the wastegate, and some extra 1.5" piping so that if the newer dumptube still isn't good, I can have the exhaust shop fab it for me and I'll take measurements and pics to so that we know what the right size is.

3-As mentioned before, the Air Filter is the wrong size...Terry is sending me a new one with a 3" ID.

4-I determined that the holes in the flange of the newer dump tube are the correct ones to go to the wastegate, so that should all be straight. The holes in the older dump tube were the smaller ones that did not fit right (look at the pic I posted of them previously if you're lost here).

While my kit (and perhaps some of the previous kits?) seem to have some bugs in them, Terry seems determined to get these resolved quickly and effectively. I definitely have to give him credit for being there for me...I know that some guys will sell you something and once they have your money will forget about you...but not Terry.

 

[perfworks]

 

[igdrasil]

Thats what we call Customer Service

psssst Terry, be sure to check mine too!

hehehe

Man I can see love around this thread!!!!!!!!

 

[Little Beavis]

I feel your pain. . .
I thought I had bad luck.

Terry will take care of you. It is unfortunate that it has to be done so late in the game, but better now than when you have the car ripped apart (wonder who that would have happened to. . .). Anyway, have a beer and chill. Sucks, but in the end it should all work out.

Call if you need to talk.

 

[spoolinmp3]

In regards to the flange, it has never been an issue. They are milled in a machine shop to perfect specs by a machinest. Perhaps the flange was a defective one or somehow it was freakeshly bent. I personally checked over some flanges and manifolds and there were some mild discrepencies, however Kooldino stated that his manifold actually rocked back and forth on a flat service. This aint good
So we will machine it down and at the same time send him another manifold. I would like to apologize to Kooldino for this. This will be inspected more thoroughly on subsequent kits.

 

[dominoy2k1]

hey how about you send me one of your kits for free, just to let everyone know that everything is perfect.....