so what's the deal...

[prlinding]

How is the new mazda speed 6 going to hold up.....I was reading sport compact and they claim 6.6 sec 0-60 and 256 horse

Another mag said 270 hp and the same 0-60 is this this gonna hold up against any real tuner car? Because this really isn't impressing me....for 28k

I hope they aren't trying to go after evo's and sti's....with those numbers....

it looks like they're chasing galants, camrys, and accords does anyone care that they are going after guppies.....

I mean look at everyone else trying to take over the market....mazda is only trying to place......hemi's GTO's stangs all pushing 300 or better horse and weighing tons.....and blowing away everything in sight. And don't give me that handling crap because handling doesn't mean squat light to light.....

I've been waiting for mazda to do something with the six and this is what they give me? My hopes have been crushed. I hate domestics but I'm no dummy either....detroit is doing it. And its about time.....

 

[Dexter]

Maybe Mazda doesnt care about making a "light to light" car?

 

[prlinding]

I mean look at mazda and its msp dodge whips out a srt4 how does mazda respond??? They yank the car off production....I'm soooo pissed. I have owned two rx7's a rx3 and I had a parked mp5 I gave to my brother because I'm bored with it...I tried the whole handling bit but it just doesn't fly....its like saying its not the size its the motion....BS! You have a little pecker homie...I hate hondas and have had only one mustang 5.0...which I hated....and bought a bike gixxer 750....to qwell my addiction to speed. I was a signature away from buying an sti....and I didn't cuz I just wasn't a sube fan....mazda's forcing my hand....and its gonna kill me to buy a goat...but 400 horse is hard to pass....not to mention rwd.....

 

[Micah]

Look for the Mazdaspeed 3 (rumored early 4q 05) for your light to light fix.

The RX7 is also rumored to be returning. This would possibly be the faster car offerred by Mazda.

Mazdaspeed 6 is up against the Legacy GT, BMW 330xi, etc.

The Mazdaspeed rx8 is rumored to have no engine changes - only design and handling improvements.

Oh, and I completely agree about the GTO with the LS2 - great car.

 

[03.5MSP]

The Mazdaspeed 6 will do 5.5 from 0-60.

 

[prlinding]

I mean look at mazda and its msp, dodge whips out a srt4... how does mazda respond??? They yank the car off production....I am still soooo pissed about that one. I have owned one rx7 and one turbo II a rx3 and I had a parked mp5 I gave to my brother because I was bored with it...I tried explaining the whole handling bit but to people.....it just doesn't fly....its like saying its not the size its the motion....BS! You have a little pecker homie...
I mean it seems like a great platform to work off of....AWD and turbo.....but I feel they needed to come stronger than that. We would still need to drop serious cash to to come up against a stock evo or sti.....god forbid they take any emissions off....and add a silly CAI....
I was a signature away from buying an sti....and I didn't cuz I just wasn't a sube fan....same goes with the rx8 all mazdaspeed could give us was a tweeked suspension???

 

[Dexter]

Mazda never intented to keep the MSP as a full time production vehicle. It was the Protege's last year anyways, its not like they yanked it off the market, it was replaced by the Mazda3.

I guess i have a small dick. or something. Mazda doesnt offer what you want so go buy a Hemi or something...

 

[prlinding]

Hey dexter.....your kidding right? You must joking....why would they call their aftermarket team....mazdaSPEED? If that's not the case then they need to call themselves....mazdaHANDLING

 

[Dexter]

Dude i dont know , i didnt make the company, get off my nuts.

 

[Micah]

The Mazdaspeed 6 will do 5.5 from 0-60.

Source???

 

[prlinding]

I mean sure they aren't going after ferrari.....but why not? Look at what toyota and nissan are doing.....the 444f and the skyline......honda tried but they couldn't do it with the nsx....mazdas afraid to whip it out but limit themselves....I'm mean come on...who here has ever driven a wankel and tell me a three rotor couldn't keep up with any lambo or ferrari and porsche....mazda needs to throw a turbo rotary in a miata and let that puppy fly.....it would smoke every roadster out there....twin turbo the rx8 and whip up on the posers....this isn't the 80's and 90's anymore people want HP again....number like this haven't been around since the late 60's and 70's and emissions and gas killed it for everybody....manufactures are able to reproduce those numbers and still keep it legal... Mazda needs to take advantage while the getting is good.....

 

[Micah]

I mean look at mazda and its msp, dodge whips out a srt4... how does mazda respond??? They yank the car off production....I am still soooo pissed about that one. I have owned one rx7 and one turbo II a rx3 and I had a parked mp5 I gave to my brother because I was bored with it...I tried explaining the whole handling bit but to people.....it just doesn't fly....its like saying its not the size its the motion....BS! You have a little pecker homie...
I mean it seems like a great platform to work off of....AWD and turbo.....but I feel they needed to come stronger than that. We would still need to drop serious cash to to come up against a stock evo or sti.....god forbid they take any emissions off....and add a silly CAI....
I was a signature away from buying an sti....and I didn't cuz I just wasn't a sube fan....same goes with the rx8 all mazdaspeed could give us was a tweeked suspension???

Mazda's consistantly get good reviews for being fun to drive. Ford is trying to build the brand into something resembling toyota (good luck on the reliability - but it would be nice to see our Pro's last 150,000 before major problems) and their acceptance as a nice reliable car. My parents and one of my brothers have the MPV - and considering it's a minivan - it handles and drives pretty nice.

About the pecker comment - I find the best thing to do in that situation is just whip it out and go with what god gave you. If you need an example ( http://hometown.aol.com/turbomicah/blank.txt -don't click unless you want to see my manh00d ) just hit the link that everyone on the forum has seen me post many times.

Devils Advocate time - nobody I know has ever blown their engine from adding suspension mods. I've never seen anyone unable to start their car in the cold because of a problem with coil-overs. The SRT-4 - while it may not handle the same as the MSP, can be upgraded - heck - even with Mopar parts which while the warranty support is grey area - it's still factory.

Back to the point though. Mazda does not have a competing product for the STI and EVO type cars. I personally like the Mazdaspeed 6 better. The mazdaspeed 6 does not have the boy ricer/racer look that cops love pulling over. With a more subdued look you are less likely to have all sorts of problems such as: car theft, car breakins, cops following, disapproving looks from parents - peers - co-workers - and others. You're also less likely to be chased for stop light races by every kid with a CAI/Exhaust.

What the Mazdaspeed 6 does have going for it is features - this alone should tell you it's not an EVO killer, it's trying to compete with a more upscale selection of vehicles. Look at the available features : heated mirrors, heated seats, 8-way power adjust seats, wheel mounted audio/cruise controls, bose sound, air filtration system (pollen filter - hepa), automatic climate control, front side window demisters, keyless entry system, delayed courtesy lamps and headlights, and other stuff.

I'm personally hoping the car doesn't sell well. I think the asking price is about 3k too high - well, from what I would like to pay. So - tell your friends - tell everyone you know - desparage the car on all fronts. Lay down in front of the dealership entrance. Chain yourself to the tires. Don't let them sell these cars. If sales can be stunted for the first 9 months the car is available, the dealerships will likely be begging us to take them off the lot for under MSRP.

But that's not likely to happen is it? Why not?

 

[Dexter]

You know why not.

 

[Micah]

Yep, as do most on the forum - but I figured the above post would lead that pissant to the same reasoning.

 

[crossbow]

The source for the 0-60 5.5 is from a misquoted magazine. Either R&T or Motortrend...both of their previews have incorrect quoted information in them.

The other mags quote (Offical Mazda Release)
0-100 kmh of 6.6 seconds
0-60 mph of 6.2 seconds.

What probably happened was R&T was buddy buddying some Mazda employee and did a little elbow in the side and asked "So how fast do you really think it will go?" and the employee probably said "Well I've heard they've gotten it as fast as 5.5 on the pre-production model" and so they just printed that...failing to mention that it was not a production vehicle, not an offical mazda performance release, nor that the 5.5 was probably due to a complete and total clutch dump.

Remember all mag reviews are PREVIEWS and are on a NON PRODUCTION VEHICLE. We won't see any actual reviews till late spring/early summer when the production models get handled to the various magazines. This of course means that the bad comments could be revised, or the positive comments could become bad. Only time will tell.

 

[Micah]

Interesting and well fleshed out theory.

I'll be looking forward to your future posts.

 

[Autox MSP]

well dealers have over 180days of msm on the lots the mz6 isn't gonna be much different,.

 

[Gbourdon]

Somebody's grouchy.

 

[Micah]

I think the problem with the MSM is it's just a day late and a dollar short. There are turbo'd miata's ala flyinmiata.com making lots of horsepower - and quite a few with over 40,000 miles under their belt.

The Miata hasn't changed much. For the price of the MSM you can buy the RX8 - which I believe actually is a bit less to insure. The difference of .1 second in 0-60 and a skidpad of .90 for the MSM vs. .88 on the RX8 makes them a close call. Looking at the RX8's new design vs. the MSM's mostly unchanged design.... yeah - I can see why quite a few are still on the lot.

http://www.modernracer.com/mazdaspeedmiata.html

http://www.modernracer.com/mazdarx8.html

 

[prlinding]

I mean sure they aren't going after ferrari.....but why not? Look at what toyota and nissan are doing.....the 444f and the skyline......honda tried but they couldn't do it with the nsx....mazdas afraid to whip it out but limit themselves....I'm mean come on...who here has ever driven a wankel and tell me a three rotor couldn't keep up with any lambo or ferrari and porsche....mazda needs to throw a turbo rotary in a miata and let that puppy fly.....it would smoke every roadster out there....twin turbo the rx8 and whip up on the posers....this isn't the 80's and 90's anymore people want HP again....number like this haven't been around since the late 60's and 70's and emissions and gas killed it for everybody....manufactures are able to reproduce those numbers and still keep it legal... Mazda needs to take advantage while the getting is good.....