hey guys...getting a day off from work today cause it is almost impossible to drive anywhere here today since we are in texas and have like 3 inches of sleet/snow. good thing for us..yippee, but i dont recommend on using our cars in this stuff unless you have snow tires cause you wont catch an ounce of traction or at least thats how i am. it sux...oh yeah..kumho ecsta 712 suck big time in snow