Because if a stealership can sucker another $150.....Quick update.
I called another Mazda dealer and they told me completely different story. They said they're specifically instructed by Mazda to NOT change the ATF in Skyactiv engines and they wont be able to do it for me even if I ask them to do it.
I called the original dealer (as mentioned in post #1) and asked the service advisor how they're planning to do a transmission flush when there is no hookup in the car. He said I am misinformed and they have done this hundreds of times on Skyactive cars. He reiterated this is NOT a drain-and-fill, but a proper flush.
I am completely lost now. One dealer wont even do it. Other seems to do a flush. Planning to call up Mazda NA to find out.
What I don't understand at all is how can a dealer recommend ATF change (flush or drain is immaterial) when Mazda themselves recommend against it.
I have just over 156,000mi/250,000km on my CX-5. I*ve had the dealer do flushes every 60,000mi/100,000km. No issues so far, though I wonder if they should be changing the filter too.
Yeah I simply don't believe any Mazda dealer in the US would do a true ATF "flush" on SkyActiv-Drive transmission. Distinguishing between ATF drain-and-fill and a true flush is important, as drain-and-fill can only replace less than half of the total ATF capacity of a transmission each time (~3.5 qts. of 8.2 qts. total ATF capacity on SkyActiv-Drive), but a true flush should replace entire ATF.How much did your dealer charge you for these 'flushes'? You are paying attention to the conversation gong on here right?
On the bill I got, dealer charged 4 qts of ATF FZ. $14 per.
So, drain and refill for $150.
On my '09 CX9, my dealer did say they did flushing.
They said they had a device to remove fluid from torque converter.
That was with the Aisin tranny.
It makes sense as drain-and-fill diluting the old ATF with fresh ATF. Doing it one time youd have about a half of fresh fluid in your transmission. Many DIYers doing drain-and-fill twice or 3 times within several weeks to get fresher ATF in the transmission.If they're doing a drain-and-fill with 4 quarts, with no other follow up visits, aren't they effectively replacing only less than half of the ATF? Even assuming you have to change the ATF, is this the way to do it?
Doesn't make sense.
(evil)I love stories about state of the art equipment. Service advisors are the best at telling them, without a bit of knowledge on the subject. Unfortunately, many customers have to take that as a professional explanation.
I love stories about state of the art equipment. Service advisors are the best at telling them, without a bit of knowledge on the subject. Unfortunately, many customers have to take that as a professional explanation.
BTW, how is your ATF flush adapter project going?
I've made it, there's a thread with pictures. I intend to do the fluid exchange sometime in June.
https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123865252-ATF-flush-adapter
That's one way to handle that.
Kedis has pointed me to this aftermarket adapter: https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_155327773727115&key=75163e199044da94ec04c4b7a0d74a89&libId=jtkdg19h01000aao000DA1lvg0run&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mazdas247.com%2Fforum%2Fprivate.php%3Fdo%3Dshowpm%26pmid%3D3328346&v=1&opt=true&out=https%3A%2F%2Fbglsi.com%2FBGProducts_Oklahoma_Texas%2Fimages%2FPDF%2FTech_Tips.pdf&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mazdas247.com%2Fforum%2Fprivate.php&title=Not%20sure%20if%20you%20have%20seen%20this%20ATF%20flush%20adapter%20for%20SkyActiv%20AT%20-%20Mazdas247&txt=https%3A%2F%2Fbglsi.com%2FBGProducts_Oklahom...%2FTech_Tips.pdf
No, no machine is necessary, but the one that supplies constant measured flow of the new ATF would be beneficial. As long as it supplies the same amount of fluid that is being expelled.Interesting, thank you.
Having done the drain and fills myself, I'm not entirely sure how to do a flush even if I got the adapter. Do you have to use some kind of machine?