Should I buy?

tyler23

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So, I recently found a 2004 rx-8 for sale close by. I have a few issues though. I've been reading up and seen stories of the early models being terrible. This car has 110,xxx miles, and the asking price is around $9,000. I will definately get a compression test before I even think about buying. What else should I look for?
 
I'd ask if the car has a new engine and how long ago and also the car is known for going through catalytic converters. I have one with over 100K and it runs great. Same year, and I beat the hell out of it and it hasn't caused any major problems at all. Solidtrance has a FAQ list and other stuff in his sig so it might not be a bad idea to read up on it. Its a fun car, it just has certain needs.
 
So you just bought your first RX8, or you bought a used one, and you have a rotary engine you not familiar with. First off, relax, its really not that different, but here are the little things you’ll want to do / know to make sure you enjoy the car and it lives a long and happy life.

The following is a brief summary of the many forums collective wisdom after nearly 95,000 threads and 1.7 million posts. It is not totally comprehensive, but will cover most of the major issues for first time rotary RX8 owners. Most of the recall issues only apply to cars built before the 2006 model year, but double check you car just in case.

1. Occasional Aggressive driving is good – First off its fun, second, it helps prevent carbon buildup in the engine and intake system. Make sure you rev to at least 7500rpm to make sure all the intake valves open. You don’t need to redline every start, but once a day is fun and good for the car.

Oh, and please don’t attempt the 7000rpm clutch dump launches the magazines did to get their 0-60mph numbers. This is not the aggressive driving that is mentioned above. Its suicide for your clutch and transmission.

2. Make sure your car has the latest PCM flash and recalls – Below are the major recalls that seem to have affected most people. Most are simple and can be done by the dealer in a day.
a) PCM (Powertrain Control Module) Flash – The RX8 has a very complex computer driving the engine that has gone through several firmware upgrades. Make sure your on the latest PCM flash from the dealer.
b) In the summer of 2006, a major emissions related recall was conducted on 2004-2006 RX8’s related to catalytic converter, and in some cases engine failures. For most people, the recall simply involved a PCM update, some owners had faulty catalytic converters replaced, and some owners had engines replaced. If you own a used vehicle, make sure recall 4206F was performed.
c) Ignition Coils – older cars had coils that overheated and would misfire, its easily to tell by flipping a coil over and looking for a burn spot on the back side of the coils. Mazda redesigned the coils in 2006.
d) Starter and Battery – the original 04/05 RX8’s had a weak starter and battery that could contribute to flooding. Hard starts are the main symptoms, and the dealer can install an upgraded starter battery package to fix the issues.
e) Upgraded Spark plugs – along with the starter, the leading spark plugs went through a redesign in the 2005 to help with flooding issues. These improved plugs should be the only leading plugs you buy. (part #NGK RE7C-L)
f) Rough Idle – the Engine mounts and mount brackets were redesigned in 2005 to alleviate rough idle issues. Heat from the exhaust manifold can also damage the passenger side engine mount. Check with you dealer about an upgrade if this is an issue.

3. Use only OEM spark plugs – The RX8 and RX7 use special unique NGK plugs designed for rotary engines. The plugs should be replaced about every 25,000 miles, which is sooner than most piston engines. Additionally the coils do not last very much longer than the plugs and should be replaced every 30 to 35K miles.

4. Whats the deal with flooding? - Flooding is the term for the engine not starting due to excess fuel into the combustion chamber from a cold start and shutdown. Rotary’s, and most other cars, run rich at warm-up and then gradually lean out as the engine warms to operating temp. Starting a cold engine and immediately shutting it down before its warmed up can lead to excess fuel being left in the combustion chamber which makes the engine struggle to light off. The simple solution to not flooding is to properly warm the car up (coolant temp needle to the half way point) before shutting the engine off. Flooding tends to happen when people move their car to wash, repair or service something then immediately shut the engine down. The stronger starter and resigned plugs listed above have helped to alleviate this issue, but just make a practice of warming the car up before shutting it off.

5. Check the oil level every other fillup or twice a month – The rotary engine injects oil to lubricate the apex seals in the engine, so it naturally burns oil, especially the harder you drive. Most owners keep a quart of oil in the car at all times and check the oil twice a month.

6. Hitting the track? Toss in a little premix – If you going to drive the car especially hard for extended periods of time, it is wise to add 4/6oz of two stroke oil to the fuel for extra seal lubrication. Its not required, but it’s a good safety measure to protect the engine.

7. 8 YR / 100,000 MI extended warranty - Mazda has extended the warranty coverage on Rotary Engine Core Components on all 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 model year RX-8 vehicles. The warranty coverage for the Rotary Engine Core Components is extended to 8 years (96 months) from the original warranty start date, with a 100,000 mileage limitation. See attachment below for details.

8. Check to be sure that all the TSB's are done before you buy (if possible) - They are available here.Clicky

9. Try to get a compression test done. Most dealerships will not know how to do this properly for rotary engine so you may have to find someone locally who has some degree of rotary specific knowlege. The test is fairly easy and shouldn't cost too much, but the results are worthless unless the test is performed correctly.

10. I have heard that I have to use 5W-20 non-synthetic oil only, is that true? Due to the way the your rotary engine uses oil this is a very touchy subject with a ton of different opinions. For a healthy NA rotary that is being operated in mild temps 5W-20 should be okay, but 5-30 would work as well. Many of the guys/gals that are running FI (Turbo and Supercharged) cars have swithced to heavier (larger numbers 10W-40 or 10W-50) oil due in part to their superior protection when higher temps are reached. As far as the dino vs. syn discussion, either should be fine. The main advantage of synthetic oil is that it will last longer and you can then go longer between oil changes. This is not really an advantage since you really need to change your oil every 3000 mi when you are operating a rotary engine. Bottom line, if you are going to deviate from the oil recomended in the owners manual you should do some researchand come to your own decision before you switch.


Thanks: altspace,

This is post #2 from RX-8 FAQs New User Guide *Read through this before you post a question!*.

We would need a lot more info to give you an idea wether or not that car you are looking at is a good idea. It is always hard to tell without seeing and driving the car. If it feels okay then you should have a mechanic check it out for all the normal issues that a car of that age has, and see if you can get in touch with someone local to you who has some experience with an RX-8 to have a look at it for you. I have done this in the past for locals here and you should not have too much problem finding someone who is willing to help you check the car out. Compression is important since this car is out of the 100K warentee. When you get a compression test make sure whoever is doing it for you knows how to do it properly. The procedure is a little different on our car than it is on conventional engines. Good luck! It is a great car. Lots of fun and unique.
 
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I'd be weary about buying an earlier version of the RX-8, especially one with 110k miles on the clock. These cars are great, but just get it checked out before you lay down 9 grand.
 
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