short shifter

i thought that our cars had short throws already?
i read a thread that showed he was getting a short throw. if there is one what kind and how much throw is reduced?
 
i thought they have shorter shifters, but not true short shifters which lengthen the part below the pivot ball to reduce travel even more...

i dont have one so i could be wrong :p
 
From what I have read hte MSP just has a shortened stick height and not a TRUE short-throw shifter. I am thinking of getting the kartboy setup this weekend. If I do, I'll post comparism pics.
 
It does seem to be a little shorter throw than most cars I've driven, but as far as height, it seems normal. To me at least.
 
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