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alphanumeric said:
supercharger = takes power to make power. and more strain on the motor. driven by a pulley connected to the crank or other periphery. piping is simpler. set boost through the drive pulley. boost is usually proportional to engine speed. makes cool pulley noise :D

bold text in the quote is technically false. with both turbo and super, you're adding more strain to the motor. the amount of PSI, and the accuracy of your engine management make the difference as to which individual kit "strains" your engine more. It all boils down to your individual engine management... if you tune either setup wrong, it can blow up bad.

Also, lots of people run intercoolers w/superchargers, due to charged air being hotter. Some supercharger designs prevent this, but those designs usually run lower amounts of boost, as overly hot charged air will not offer more performance... it may actually rob horsepower, and lead to detonation, which is BAD.

Basically, supercharged power generally offers a "smoother" power curve, and "instant on" power; a moderately boosted engine will feel like it just has more displacement. Usually turbo setups lack in the lower end, and produce a lot more power up high in the RPMs.

Also, even though theoretically they say superchargers cost more power... you bolt it on, and have more power everywhere throughout the power curve... so its still "free" power. And, I've read a few arguments that turbo's also have parasitic power loss due to the fact that the exhaust gasses DO have to spin the turbine, thus some elevated backpressure (afterall, the turbo itself deadens a lot of the sound of the exhaust, thus requiring less muffler to silence it.)

but thats an argument i've seen create massive flame waras and arguments in many forums...

my own take on it, is it depends on what you're trying to get out of the car. (and on what pieces are available for your car)

By general mechanical-theory, i like the idea of the supercharger best. it gives more power everywhere, and (generally) is consistant. Also, none of the need for a "timer" to keep from coking your bearings.

However, that being said... with my particular car and it's engine, and the available pieces, a turbo setup is the most practical. The best supercharger i've seen for the mx-5 is the roots style jackson racing piece, and even the most insane setup based on that unit (that i've seen) has maxxed at around 190 rwhp.

There are ready-to-bolt-on turbo kits available for my car that start in that HP range, and spool up to full boost by 2500RPM, and with the way the miata engine is designed... its kinda rare for me to drop below that, even while putt-putting around the city. theres a couple bolt-on-ish turbo kits that boast 270-350+ rwhp, as well (however those are a bit price prohibative, hehe)
 
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Very well said guys, so with all that said:

Turbo = high end torque
Supercharger = all around full power

Since my car sucks at the low end, I should just be getting me a s/c?? that way, it kinda eliminates the slow start..?

Thanks guys!!

(smart asses)

Peace,
RJ
 
rjs_protege5 said:
Very well said guys, so with all that said:

Turbo = high end torque
Supercharger = all around full power

Since my car sucks at the low end, I should just be getting me a s/c?? that way, it kinda eliminates the slow start..?

Thanks guys!!

(smart asses)

Peace,
RJ


it depends on what you want ur car do do mayn. i want my car to be mostly an autoxer so i'm gonna need the low end. you can go with a small turbo and get boost at a lower rev than a medium sized turbo.

BTW: well said, rick ! :D
 
Are superchargers more expensive for P5's than turbos??

Also, guys, i dont know much about anything under my hood (which i need to learn SOON), i havent changed anything under there since i got her, all that was changed under my hood is a new battery.. lol What do i need to change? and when do i know when to change them? Aleks makes me want to get motor mounts now after riding in his car.. :p

Thanks!! ( this should be a "help rj thread") lmao j/k

Peace,
RJ
 
nice looks sweet, now find a crashed Mazdasped3 and take out teh swicth to auto level it when you have your fat ass friends in the back and cargo...pretty cool option
 
$inCitySpeed3 said:
nice looks sweet, now find a crashed Mazdasped3 and take out teh swicth to auto level it when you have your fat ass friends in the back and cargo...pretty cool option

Thanks man...I have been looking into the auto level. Some of the 3 GT's come with it too.
 
Very well said guys, so with all that said:

Turbo = high end torque
Supercharger = all around full power

Since my car sucks at the low end, I should just be getting me a s/c?? that way, it kinda eliminates the slow start..?

Thanks guys!!

(smart asses)
Well this statement is true but there is more to it then that, a turbo is better all around in general if it is set up right, if you get the right turbo there will be no lag, the problem most people have is the want big turbo's for big boost which make you go fast on top end, but on a street light to street light car you would get your ass kicked by a civic... Yes Overhead Superchargers provide instant boost but will only provide accurate(cool dense charge) boost for so long before the blower is over spinning and creating to much heat. PLus the bulls*** it runs off a belt so it take ponies away and creates drag which is true, but not that much is takin, more is from drivetrain...Centrifigal Sc are nice but respond with the PRM range of teh car more then the instant boost...


I would get a custom turbo with teh exhaust side set up the right way for what your looking for nice quick turbo spool, and a nice cold side for bigger top end..only say this cause at my old dyno shop this is what i say work the best for 4 banger turbo cars with the awesome tuners i would let come in-house and rent the dyno t tune Their own Customers cars...
 
supercharger = takes power to make power. and more strain on the motor. driven by a pulley connected to the crank or other periphery. piping is simpler. set boost through the drive pulley. boost is usually proportional to engine speed. makes cool pulley noise
the way i look at it is no matter what they both have to worry about the massive amounts of forced air which is generally what blows s*** apart, the belt drag in minimal from a blower, yes the crank get some pressure but it flexes...Turbos spike which i think would be worse on a motor then some drag, and constant boost, but the dont call them HEATON(eatom) for nothing, very inconsistant at the track without cool down time...turbos ar by far superior IMHO...just my 2 cents
 
rjs_protege5 said:
Are superchargers more expensive for P5's than turbos??

Also, guys, i dont know much about anything under my hood (which i need to learn SOON), i havent changed anything under there since i got her, all that was changed under my hood is a new battery.. lol What do i need to change? and when do i know when to change them? Aleks makes me want to get motor mounts now after riding in his car.. :p

Thanks!! ( this should be a "help rj thread") lmao j/k

Peace,
RJ

they cost pretty much the same, the only thing is there are more turbo set ups available for our cars than s/c ( DIY :D there's nothing like it )

peace
 
YAY!! found a good deal on a replacement trunk & bumper in good ol Lousiana. Going to order tomorrow, already Sunlight Silver.
 
ahhh sucks...things fell through with the yard....frist they promised shipping...then they said i had to arrange it....they qouted me $189 at first for shipping. Then when i tried to get the shipping myself they wanted like $300 for that.....ugh!!! next time i guess...lol
 
yeah i have tried local junk yard. I am just gonna be ordering a new bumper from Showcase Mazda in Pheonix on Monday....then depending on how that goes, i will be ordering a trunk after that.
 
YAY!! got my replacement coolant tank this morning. Should be installed on Sat., I will make sure to post some pics
 
shalezoom3 said:
YAY!! got my replacement coolant tank this morning. Should be installed on Sat., I will make sure to post some pics

what happened to your tank ? or is it an upgrade ? we're having a tech night on sat maybe u can come along ?
 

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