**********'s New Intake Manifold 101

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The TEST Dyno shows 3800 on, how much lower would you like it? The BASE was higher at 4400, but you can get the drift for the most part. The gains are there, high and low end, against what so many nay-sayers have said on this forum about the manifold. It works.
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Well all my dyno's start at 2000 rpm's so that would give me the best comparison to a stock set-up. That covers the entire range people drive in and shows the results of on and off boost performance.

You don't have to do it since there are a lot of people in this thread that were ready to throw down money when only the peak numbers were released. It's just something that would sell me on the product more and give me an idea of what the trade offs are between low and high rpm performance with your new manifold.
 
********** said:
You guys wanted numbers, I got you guys numbers.
Then you guys wanted proof.
You guys asked for Dyno charts, dyno charts were posted.
Now there is a problem with the charts.
The rigidity was caused by a faulty RPM signal lead.

I my personal opinion, you haven't said anything positive about SU since I can remember, so you, in my eyes, on the forum are a hater. But if you were to ever call asking for assistance, you would get the same respect and help that we offer everyone of you guys. So with that said, maybe you will refain from bashing SU and keep it to yourself.
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wtf... I didn't bash or hate on anybody... chill out dude.

infact I said GOOD THINGS about your manifold if you took the time to read it.
 
Mallard said:
Well all my dyno's start at 2000 rpm's so that would give me the best comparison to a stock set-up. That covers the entire range people drive in and shows the results of on and off boost performance.

You don't have to do it since there are a lot of people in this thread that were ready to throw down money when only the peak numbers were released. It's just something that would sell me on the product more and give me an idea of what the trade offs are between low and high rpm performance with your new manifold.
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I am posting as much data as possible, and for the most part, this is much more than other products on the market. Usually you will be lucky to get a dyno for a product. But I understand that many people do not know Squatty's and I must show proof of the gains.

The reason why doing a 2000 RPM dyno run is bad...

Premature boost the MSP will cause hesitation and bogging. It can also pop a motor. This is not caused by the manifold but plagues many MSP's in general. Rule of thumb is to never boost under 3500 RPM's. If you are below that, down shift.
 
I must say looking at the HP comparison, the curve looks nice. It looks like the initial TQ spike would also be higher with this mani, but don't have the base data in that RPM range.
 
********** said:
I am posting as much data as possible, and for the most part, this is much more than other products on the market. Usually you will be lucky to get a dyno for a product. But I understand that many people do not know Squatty's and I must show proof of the gains.

The reason why doing a 2000 RPM dyno run is bad...

Premature boost the MSP will cause hesitation and bogging. It can also pop a motor. This is not caused by the manifold but plagues many MSP's in general. Rule of thumb is to never boost under 3500 RPM's. If you are below that, down shift.
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I appreciate all the data you have posted.

Plenty of turbo cars do dyno runs through the rpms range without a problem. I haven't had a problem with my engine yet. I think most of those problems with people claiming they blew a motor because they were trying to "boost too early" under high load stems from people running higher then stock boost without supporting mods that would keep detonation away.

Again, I'm glad you've posted that much info, but I hope someone buys it and is able to compare it at lower rpm's. I would ask the same from any product claiming similar results to yours. It just goes against the principle that one runner length/plemnum volume is better at every rpm. I would be very suprised if it gained power everywhere as that would mean the stock manifold is restrctive to the point that VICS doesn't do what it was designed to do. And if it does show a power loss that low, I just want to know how much it is so I know what the trade offs are.
 
********** said:
Going into boost when the car cannot handle it. Low RPM's and boost do not mix well.
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What he said. ^^^^^^^^^^

See you got your title there... SU now AV. Nice.
 
Oh man. I was supposed to go up and see my girlfriend...then you guys introduce this.

Let me crunch numbers.

MY
 
How hard is this going to be to install? Is there any special tools or anything needed? I'd hate to buy this thing and find out I'm in over my head trying to install it myself.
 
Install is basic but is time consuming. Allow 3-4 hours to install. 2 bracket bolts underneath mani, everything is done from on top the bay.
 
BASE RUN: Custom Injen/6 inch Air Ram CAI, SMIC Kit, GHL TB, 9.5 psi
TEST RUN: Custom Injen/6 inch Air Ram CAI, SMIC Kit, GHL TB, 9.5 psi & Intake Mani

Dyno data with correct scale for comparison.
http://www.**********.com/StreetPics/dyno.jpg
 
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Sounds like my car! Well at least I know what to expect.
This reply was made from my Treo Smartphone in Newark Airport.... hope this works.... to Europe I go.

********** said:
BASE RUN: Custom Injen/6 inch Air Ram CAI, SMIC Kit, GHL TB, 9.5 psi
TEST RUN: Custom Injen/6 inch Air Ram CAI, SMIC Kit, GHL TB, 9.5 psi & Intake Mani

Dyno data with correct scale for comparison.
http://www.**********.com/StreetPics/dyno.jpg
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maybe in my application, big turbo 5 more psi i would make close to 30-40 whp. that would be awesome.

-B
 
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