wow, well i know not to give any ideas on here from now on, lol. thanks for the help thoe _Sloteg_ I was actually planning on doing that once i had more time and got more gas for my welder, thoes were done with the rest of what i had, but for now these are very sturdy (even thoe it doesnt look like it, but if you felt them, they are), and will get me by till i can fix them up a little.