lightly modded, the ms3 is a high 13-sec car from a dig with a good launch. From a roll, the ms3 turns into a 12 second monster.
nuff said.
Monster, hardly. I think people give these cars a little too much credit sometimes. They are decently quick and fun to drive but I would never use the word "fast" to describe my car or any other MS3 that I've seen.
Quick and Competitive come to my mind, especially at the autocross.
lightly modded, the ms3 is a high 13-sec car from a dig with a good launch. From a roll, the ms3 turns into a 12 second monster.
nuff said.
You totally missed his point and meaning about the 12 Second Car.This cracks me up!
Well sure, the MS3 can do the quarter mile in 12 seconds if it starts with a 40mph rolling start.
With a 50mph rolling start, it probably does the quarter in less than 10 seconds!
Is there a "standard" for roll-on racing, such as what speed the run starts at?
You totally missed his point and meaning about the 12 Second Car.
He was referring to what the car would be capable of pending it could hook.
If its a high 13 sec 1/4 mile car trapping 109MPH+....The trap telle the tale of the power the car has.
It would have likely spun theough at least two gears and still trapped with a speed of a 12 second car.
From a roll...Then you could easily go against a 12 second RWD car that hooks as all the advantage of that setup is gone.
My old MSP would only muster a 14.0....But trapped 103MPH...I hung with or beat many 12 and 13 second cars....but I SPun through three gears at the track....FWD Traction is a *****.
Hopefully this make more sense now of what he was trying to say.
racing from a roll is a power race. the ms3 is not a drag racing car anyway. **** launching fwd.
You totally missed his point and meaning about the 12 Second Car.
He was referring to what the car would be capable of pending it could hook.
If its a high 13 sec 1/4 mile car trapping 109MPH+....The trap telle the tale of the power the car has.
It would have likely spun theough at least two gears and still trapped with a speed of a 12 second car.
From a roll...Then you could easily go against a 12 second RWD car that hooks as all the advantage of that setup is gone.
That's all total speculation! If a certain weakness were eliminated, then the car might perform to a certain expectation. What does that mean? What standard are you measuring by or comparing to?
If people are going to use quarter mile times as a standard, a standard that has always been established by measuring a car's ability to traverse a quarter mile straightaway from a standing start, then people need to measure their cars' performance the same way.
How exactly do you come up with a 12 second quarter mile time by measuring it from a roll?
If I'm unaware of existing standards for roll-on racing and how the results of roll-on racing compare to conventional start-line-to-finish-line racing results, please point me in the right direction.
Is there a roll-on racing governing body?
That's all total speculation! If a certain weakness were eliminated, then the car might perform to a certain expectation. What does that mean? What standard are you measuring by or comparing to?
If people are going to use quarter mile times as a standard, a standard that has always been established by measuring a car's ability to traverse a quarter mile straightaway from a standing start, then people need to measure their cars' performance the same way.
How exactly do you come up with a 12 second quarter mile time by measuring it from a roll?
If I'm unaware of existing standards for roll-on racing and how the results of roll-on racing compare to conventional start-line-to-finish-line racing results, please point me in the right direction.
Is there a roll-on racing governing body?
Trap Speeds show True 1/4 mile potential of the Car.
Period.
Not saying it can click those times off because of one issue or another....
But if you put a 13.5 AWD Car that traps 101 on the street with a 14.2 FWD car that traps 103+....The AWD will get owned pretty much from anything 2nd gear on.
Not gonna argue about it....ITs how it will happen if the drivers are equal and only the cars comes into play at that point.
My point is that the only thing that limits the 14 second car from being a 13 second car is the Traction off the line.
All the differences in those two 1/4 mile runs would be in netted in the 60ft. times alone.
Pure and SImple.
Dependson the 60 ft time.What about the 12.40 AWD car trapping 119? Don't ask me how I came up with those numbers, its not like I have a timeslip lying around that shows that......
I also agree that on a roll the only thing that matters is your trap speed. However any MS3 that I've seen is hardly fast.
Dependson the 60 ft time.
You have to ask....is there more time to be shaved there...If yes....then its a faster car on the street.
If its setup absolutly amazingly and hooks perfect...then its about as fast as it will be and the Trap times are what you should look at if wanting to roll race.
Its unlikely that a 110MPH trap car can beat a 120MPH trap car....Even if the 110MPH car has the fastr 1/4 time.
You have to do a lot of both kinds of racing and just realize the cars characteristics to get into this mindset without doubting it.
...any MS3 that I've seen is hardly fast.
Nurburg ring lap times;
Mazdaspeed3 8:39
Honda NSX 8:38
Lotus Exige 8:42
Porche 911 Carrera 8:28
Thats some pretty good company to hang with for a "slow" car.
All that matters is the Top Gear test track.
