Thanks for the input MAXX MAZDA but I'm like them on the car, made one day I might. Onetrum, is your lip fg or Urethane? I was going to get the fg one but got a great price from DG Motorsports, $125, so I jumped on it, REALLY glad I did, I would have killed the fg lip the first day I drove with it and I have always had lowered cars and know how to monouver in and out of driveways but still strap. nalspeed, check the "How To" section, lots of write-up to help you with many different mods, be carefull, You'll get hooked, lol. Good luck all, that is what is so great about modifing cars, we all have differnt taste and appreciate other and always have new ideas to give and try, Never feel bad about giving advice, To each his own.