Well then, better put the RX-7's and RX-8 on the *** list as well...KpaBap said:Miatas are gay, only fags and dykes would want double wishbones on all four corners and almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution in a 2300 lbs RWD car.
real rx7 lol
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To be honest, I hate about 98% of RX7 owners. I know exactly how they got the "reputation" they have today. When the turboII's came out the customer demographic was the a-typical middle-aged caucasion male. As for the N/A model, it was you guessed it, the A-typical middle-class cacausion female. Now this was the trend for quite a while. The demographic slightly changed however as the FD was introduced. It wasn't quite as affordable as before. The profile was bumped up to the white collar class and again, the same cacausion males. Here's the problem with the situation. It was deemd the "mid-life crisis sports car" by Road and Track in the first months of introduction. Thats exactly what it was. Sure it might be a dominant force in circuit racing in japan (which by the way it still is) but here in the states, it was the slicked back hair mobile for every schmuck in a suit trying to get laid. The two turbos being directly connected to their egos. Here's where the reputation got started for the FD being labeled a Lemon. A lot of these white bread idiots thought it would be a good idea to "attempt" to drive these cars the way they are designed to be driven. Constant abuse and mistreatment always leads to problems, but thats not where it came from. It was the used car market. Aside from the obvious oil pressure problems that the early 90's FD's had, the used car market was flooded with low mileage FD's that all "seemed" to be in great shape. However, they had quite a hellish break in period. So now you have the better part of 50% of the FD's sold in their first years already being sold off privately. Now, all the hardball penny pinchers are buying up the "nice looking" FD's and becoming furious when they discover extensive costs for rebuilds and service. The first thing they think is that "Well what the ****? I bought it from a dealership and I'm having all these problems!" Which is what anyone would think right? The real problem was the lack of service support from the dealerships. The rotary technology hadn't caught on. Hell, it still hasn't. I'm sure you know how hard it is to find a "good" rotary shop locally. So to recap, by the mid-90's we have more than half of the FD's made, already being sold off to dealerships for what you ask? Mid-size sedans. But thats a whole different issue. So where is all of this going? I have no idea, but I will say this, and ironic as it might be, the legend of the rotaries reliability stem from nothing more than misinformation or a lack there of. I love rotaries, I always have and it really is a tragedy that here in the states, the general public took probably the best sports car ever created and turned it into a trite dick mobile that has a story to tell behind every nick in the paint. If the car was only marketed as a true sports car instead of a "buy me an look cool mobile". God damn early 90's..
^^^ My bad, yeah I just went back to see if it was 20K that you actually said...
I believe the comment was "when mazda can release rotaries that don't grenade themselves,"
Which is still pretty false anyways...
By the way teh haxors is pretty cliche now-a-days...if it was so "733T" why is everyone doing it? Overplayed, and overdone...
Sorry, but this whole argument is getting pretty stupid...it went from a debate over the pros and cons of rotaries and pistons, to an all out s*** fest....
In the end who cares...it's his car...let him do what he wants to it. It would be cool to surprise some muscle car owners and the like with it....
I believe the comment was "when mazda can release rotaries that don't grenade themselves,"
Which is still pretty false anyways...
By the way teh haxors is pretty cliche now-a-days...if it was so "733T" why is everyone doing it? Overplayed, and overdone...
Sorry, but this whole argument is getting pretty stupid...it went from a debate over the pros and cons of rotaries and pistons, to an all out s*** fest....
In the end who cares...it's his car...let him do what he wants to it. It would be cool to surprise some muscle car owners and the like with it....
I left a hell of a comment there and I get no response?
Well put. My father falls into that demograph in a way, but also doesn't. We're asian immigrants, and my father lived in the Philippines, Japan, and Hong Kong, where he was introduced to rotaries by the RX-3. We moved to the states, and he bought a 280ZX I think? and traded it in for the FC when it came out. I inherited that car from him when he bought his FD, and I again inherited that one, which as we speak sits in the garage uninsured...that's a total different story, but let's just say I can't get insured on it. I take it out alot, but my Dad comes by and takes it from me once a week or so. We've never had a problem with our RX-7's because, well my father is pretty good with rotaries....but I do know that FC3S boy's shop is a good one...I've been turned onto them by a few friends. But it is true, every other 7 owner I've met has been pretty snobby. I just wish I could really call the FD "mine"...but as it stands, I can't afford insurance on the damn thing. Progressive is funny, they classify the FD as some sort of high class sports car, but the RX-8 is priced due to its 1.3...eh whatever, at least I can afford to insure it.SpicyMchaggis said:
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I come from a family of rotary owners...it's just something I've always been in to...although I went through my muscle car and 60's car phase in my late teens. I spend most of my money on cars, and I keep coming back to rotaries...go figure. My dream car believe it or not, is a 63 vette stingray convertible....my uncle restored one a few years ago, and wow....that's all I can say...so nice...
I guess it is a sob story that the FD has....
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Sorry had to go pee...It's great to see that you appreciate rotaries though....but for future info, it's good to refer to sites like this one:SpicyMchaggis said:
http://www.petting-zoo.net/~gkm/rx7/specs.html
you know...just so you know who's who of the rotary world...
By the way the FC that I drove around until I crashed the sucker was an NA model...cabriolet....what the hell was my Dad thinking?
It truely is. I forgot SPD was out there. Chris is a great guy. I have several friends with rotaries. High mileage turboII, "tweaked" rotary pick-up, and a single turbo converted FD..I play around with them a lot. It really is sad the way the FC/FD's we're concieved in the states..
be easy kpabap.
Well, what can you expect from a country full of NASCAR lovers and lawyers with more money than they know what to do with? It's pretty interesting to see japanese and euro cars trying to compete in a market where drag racing is king, and circuit racing is sparse.
I bet the guys at Mazda's rotary department and Toyota's supra headquarters never expected to see their cars pushing 900+ horsepower.
I bet the guys at Mazda's rotary department and Toyota's supra headquarters never expected to see their cars pushing 900+ horsepower.
It's funny that the japanese car market JUST NOW marketed a car rated at over 300hp. I believe it was an acura RL? It's funny because look at the cars we're talking about here. Skylines, RX7's, Supra's, etc..None of them rated over 300hp. I say this all the time, and I'll say it once more..Drag racing is lame.
I thought I read about someone doing this successfully? You'd know more about that than I do, but I thought I saw this in one of the mags...KpaBap said:Aww so cute...
see we CAN all get along....
and for the record ---- rotary + miata > *
now only if that pesky firewall wasn't in the way
I've heard and read rumors about Mazda offering two versions of the next miata, one being a rotary...rumors are rumors though...
There was that miata with the red top SR20DET in SCC a couple months ago.
If you get the "10 best issue" of car and driver, on page 42 there's a paragraph of Japan lifting the 276 horsepower bar. Check it out...it's a pretty interesting piece of info to think about...It reads in part "Mazda will introduce a 300-hp two-seat RX-7"SpicyMchaggis said:
Another source on the net (can't remember where) had a blurb on this and Mazda releasing an RX-7 return to compete in the high hp wars...expect it to cost as much as the vette and M3, and to perform similarly...
rumors rumors....
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I can guarantee you with 99.99% certainty Mazda will never make a rotary Miata, it wouldn't make any sense. It would undercut the RX line.
Also, yes, some shop did successfuly put a 13b in a Miata as an engineering excercise, but they also swore they'd never do it again for any amount of money. There was a thread on the miata forum but I'm too lazy to dig it up.
And as far as the SR20DET in the Miata goes, well that WAS nice, but it would've made more sense to put all the money into building the BP up, since it's just as robust and has as much potential as an SR20.
Also, yes, some shop did successfuly put a 13b in a Miata as an engineering excercise, but they also swore they'd never do it again for any amount of money. There was a thread on the miata forum but I'm too lazy to dig it up.
And as far as the SR20DET in the Miata goes, well that WAS nice, but it would've made more sense to put all the money into building the BP up, since it's just as robust and has as much potential as an SR20.
True, but maybe it would be cool to see an MX-5, and a "rotary roadster" or something to that effect...KpaBap said:
Oh well, I'm still impressed by the Monster Miatas out of San Diego. They're pretty popular, and the shop usually puts a small decal of Godzilla next to the miata emblem after they've done the conversion.
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