real rx7 lol

[KpaBap]

oh my now you're going to come out and say that putting a 302 in a miata will ruin the pristine handling, when in reality, it changes the weight distribution numbers from 50.5/49.5 to 51/49


I own the miata for the wrong reasons? don't pretend like you somehow know me, from 5 posts in a flame fest.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

Or the fact that you own the bottom rung of rotaries.

 

[KpaBap]

Assumptions, they really work.

Look buddy, whatever makes you feel better about buying that RX-8. Really, you don't have to justify yourself to anybody. Assuming things left and right won't get you very far.

 

[shaolin]

Look, I don't feel bad about any purchase I make, because it's my choice and not anyone else's. I've owned two RX-7's before as well...But I do correct misinformation, which you seem to be full of.

I never said it was a crappy swap, just not one that I'd do.

And hey spicy, the "bottom rung of rotaries" as you call it is not the Renesis...the NA FC's only made 146 HP, the Turbo II's made 182. The FB's 12A was a measly 100 which grew to 135 at the end of its model run. The Renesis is quite amazing for a 1.3 NA rotary. The FD was amazing yes, but it was not a good daily driver, and had overheating issues...but it made only 17 more horsies than the current renesis and it came equipped with not one, but two turbos.

Learn your car history and know what you're talking about before you say something.

 

[shaolin]

oh my now you're going to come out and say that putting a 302 in a miata will ruin the pristine handling, when in reality, it changes the weight distribution numbers from 50.5/49.5 to 51/49


I own the miata for the wrong reasons? don't pretend like you somehow know me, from 5 posts in a flame fest.

BTW, show me where you got those numbers. Also show me where I said anything about ruining the weight distribution of your car...I don't believe I said that anywhere.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

its really too bad that my DX (bottom rung of proteges) walks your RX8 in a straight line, at the autoX, and on the odometer.

That's all I'm doing here. I love rotaries, but the renesis? too little..too late...

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

oh btw, I'm not starting s***, but I've wrecked two RX8's now at the cross. Haven't lost to one yet. But hey, thats me..You do your thing, I'll do mine. I know a thing or two about the RX's so I'd be careful how you throw that around.

 

[shaolin]

its really too bad that my DX (bottom rung of proteges) walks your RX8 in a straight line, at the autoX, and on the odometer.

That's all I'm doing here. I love rotaries, but the renesis? too little..too late...

I've never seen a DX Protege outrun an 8 at the autocross, nor have I seen them run in the same class....it puzzles me where you get that info...

Not only that, but it's common knowledge that autocross is about 90% driver 10% car. And where you come off thinking a FWD car can outdo a RWD car..wow...I had alot more respect for you before that post you made.

Now as far as a DX walking an RX-8 in a straight line show me that...no way in hell unless you're heavily tuned or boosted. You must play alot with automatic RX-8 owners. But if you really feel that strongly about it come to vegas some time, and I'll run with your DX protege.

I've owned an MSP...I wouldn't have traded a top of the line protege for an 8 if it was better...so how you assume a DX is better than an 8...what is this forum coming to? I see more sense on the civic forums I frequent...

 

[KpaBap]

You've still failed to point out this "misinformation", that I seem so full of.

1. Rotaries have little torque -- you seemed to confirm that, saying power starts building around 5000rpm.
2. Rotaries being smooth is a pipe dream --- really the only people that care are the rotary people, again, in an attempt to justify putting up with all the other cons of owning a rotary.
3. A 302 is only slightly heavier than a rotary and more than makes up for the difference in extra torque - is there really an argument here?
4. V8s and rotaries both get crappy gas mileage -- guess which one makes more torque.
5. It's cheaper to build a powerful 302. -- where's the argument?
6. Rotaries with lots of boost added are simply not as reliable as their reciprocating cousins -- again, if we were to spend equal amounts of money on a rotary and a piston engine.



On top of this, you somehow feel that an engine makes or brakes a car's handling. Well, proof of the opposite comes from Mazda themselves, with the Miata's 380+lbs BP-ZE.

 

[shaolin]

oh btw, I'm not starting s***, but I've wrecked two RX8's now at the cross. Haven't lost to one yet. But hey, thats me..You do your thing, I'll do mine. I know a thing or two about the RX's so I'd be careful how you throw that around.

Oh okay, that's fine...I've been canyon driving and autocrossing for years, so I know what I'm doing with this car....but I do know that a protege is easier to drive at its limits than an 8...so I can see some sense in your post...provided that the 8 drivers didn't know what they were doing, or were new to the car.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

Wow. Lets see. I went head to head with the same owner twice at our cross. Wasn't a classed run. Maybe he's just a bad driver, I'll give you that. What do you think you car runs in a straight line there champ? I have no idea what they run as for numbers, but after driving one several times, they are not the fastest thing on this swift boat for rotary justice. Back to the FWD vs RWD autocross comment. You wouldn't last two seconds against a good STS FWD car. Hell, I know old school dubbers that would outright embarass you. So, again, chill out. Look, I like rotaries and I have no problem with you, but your tone comes across like every other god damn overzealous rotary owner who thinks the rotary is this magical misunderstood mystery that can cure cancer. Get over your ego and realize its a god damn car. Not only is it a car, but its a historically unreliable car. Get over it. Move on. This isn't japan so the whole "it was a built as a circuit car" arguement doesn't wash here.

 

[shaolin]

You've still failed to point out this "misinformation", that I seem so full of.

1. Rotaries have little torque -- you seemed to confirm that, saying power starts building around 5000rpm.
2. Rotaries being smooth is a pipe dream --- really the only people that care are the rotary people, again, in an attempt to justify putting up with all the other cons of owning a rotary.
3. A 302 is only slightly heavier than a rotary and more than makes up for the difference in extra torque - is there really an argument here?
4. V8s and rotaries both get crappy gas mileage -- guess which one makes more torque.
5. It's cheaper to build a powerful 302. -- where's the argument?
6. Rotaries with lots of boost added are simply not as reliable as their reciprocating cousins -- again, if we were to spend equal amounts of money on a rotary and a piston engine.



On top of this, you somehow feel that an engine makes or brakes a car's handling. Well, proof of the opposite comes from Mazda themselves, with the Miata's 380+lbs BP-ZE.

I never said the engine makes or breaks it, but I did say that it helps...hence the reason why I said it was "one of the reasons someone would opt for it."

I never said it wasn't more feasible to make more power out of the 302, but I did say the rotary is more compact in design and allows for better placement of the engine for weight distribution and handling purposes. RX owners have never been people to care about huge power numbers. The RX cars have always been windy road and track runners. This is all due to the rotary...

I don't care about how smooth it is, it's just a little bonus...but I make weekly runs through the local canyons here....and I've owned alot...ALOT of cars in my lifetime...none of them have run them as well as my 7's and my 8. I don't plan on boosting my 8, nor do I drag race at every stop light or drag strip. So where's the argument? In car and handling dynamics...plain and simple...

Nobody's going to argue with you that the rotary is always better than a piston engine, but it does have its advantages....as does the piston engine...that's all I was pointing out to you...

By the way rotaries are cheap to rebuild...just so you know. The renesis will obviously cost more since it's new, but in general, cheap and easy to rebuild...if you know what you're doing.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

So a 14.5 @ 95mph is the best the RX8 brings to the table, which in all fairness, is faster than my high 14. So ok. I'll give you that. So now that this bulls*** salad has been finished you can pull your uber sweet pistol grip e-brake and go back in time to when everyone sweated a RX7's owners nuts.

 

[shaolin]

Wow. Lets see. I went head to head with the same owner twice at our cross. Wasn't a classed run. Maybe he's just a bad driver, I'll give you that. What do you think you car runs in a straight line there champ? I have no idea what they run as for numbers, but after driving one several times, they are not the fastest thing on this swift boat for rotary justice. Back to the FWD vs RWD autocross comment. You wouldn't last two seconds against a good STS FWD car. Hell, I know old school dubbers that would outright embarass you. So, again, chill out. Look, I like rotaries and I have no problem with you, but your tone comes across like every other god damn overzealous rotary owner who thinks the rotary is this magical misunderstood mystery that can cure cancer. Get over your ego and realize its a god damn car. Not only is it a car, but its a historically unreliable car. Get over it. Move on. This isn't japan so the whole "it was a built as a circuit car" arguement doesn't wash here.

Wow simmer down...I'm just correcting a few misunderstandings of an uninformed miata owner over here...I never said it was the end all be all....but I do take my car out in the canyons quite often...I ride motorcycles, so it's come to be part of my life..those canyon roads. I do prefer RWD to FWD, and that's all driver preference, but we all know the arguments of that. I never did sit here and say the car cures cancer, nor did I have an ego about it, sorry if it sounded that way. I did however try to spread some good info on why a rotary might be used in certain applications. Look a fast car is a fast car, no matter how you make the power...but I prefer to keep a rotary car a rotary car, for the reasons that it was designed for...but I will respect Jonboy's quarter mile times if and when he posts them.

Look, I'm actually in the market for an S2K, me and my fiance' in about two months...wonder why? Maybe because we prefer a certain characteristic of car...

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

S2K? So chick cars blow your skirt up huh? I see how it works now.

 

[shaolin]

So a 14.5 @ 95mph is the best the RX8 brings to the table, which in all fairness, is faster than my high 14. So ok. I'll give you that. So now that this bulls*** salad has been finished you can pull your uber sweet pistol grip e-brake and go back in time to when everyone sweated a RX7's owners nuts.

Actually I hate that e-brake handle LOL...and 14.5 is pretty slow compared to other cars out there, but in all fairness, I didn't buy the car for that...I knew all of this before I bought the car...I test drove EVO and the Z (both amazing cars,but not what I'm looking for)l...so if that tells you anything...

Yes this bulls*** salad does need to end, but I wish I knew what you were talking about when everyon sweated an RX-7 owner's nuts. I never got no such treatment...everyone was on the nuts of Supra owners for as long as I can remember....well since the "import" scene got big anyway...

 

[shaolin]

S2K? So chick cars blow your skirt up huh? I see how it works now.

Haha if you read, it's for her, but if you've ever driven an S2K and an RX-8 back to back, they're VEERRY similar. I enjoy driving those little "chick cars."

By the way, I think if a S2K is a chick car, then the miata probably is too...uh oh.....

I love both miata and S2K though....but yeah, girls love roadsters for some reason...probably why I got so many girls complimenting me in my old 69 triumph spitfire convertible I had back in the mid 90's...that car was so nice...

 

[KpaBap]

I'm just correcting a few misunderstandings of an uninformed miata owner over here..

You still fail to point them out. Good job, John Kerry.

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[KpaBap]

Miatas are gay, only fags and dykes would want double wishbones on all four corners and almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution in a 2300 lbs RWD car.

 

[shaolin]

You still fail to point them out. Good job, John Kerry.

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Well for one your belief that rotaries blow up at 20K miles.

And then when I explain to you the advantages and disadvantages, YES, I POINTED OUT THE SHORTCOMINGS, you get all butt hurt, and start arguing with me....

Go back and read your posts where YUO TALK LIKE TEH HAXORS and figure out for yourself why you seem a bit ignorant.