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Ran the Speed3 at the track today...learned what NOT to do!
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zoom-zoomhatch
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What year model, I was thinking it would be fun to have like an 80s model with a rb in it, but I'm still determined to do a ls1 2nd gen rx-7.
man that sucks, maybe the cltutch took all the heat since there was so much traction
fourthmeal said:Well, I was hoping for 13.8-14.0 at the track tonight. Here in Vegas, its Midnight Mayhem as about 450 cars lined up (what a cluster ****) to race the 1/4 mile. I was confident that my stock MS3 could do something decent. And then I discovered what it is like to have the entire front end of my car slam up and down into the pavement, grabbing for traction and hopping hopelessly and destructively for the first 100 feet. The video link to race 1 below is the bad first pass I made.
The problem was that I left in too great a hurry, I think. I had a difficult time staging because I couldn't see the light triggers (well they weren't marked too well), and as soon as I saw two lights, I revved up to about 3k. I intended to slip it out just a bit and hit second, but I botched it. That, and that they just covered the track with super sticky stuff that gave me WAAAY too much traction. Pre-race (and pre-knowledge that they treated the track so agressively), I adjusted my front tires to 25psi (which turns on the low pressure light on the dash), and thats it. As you can see and here from my run, I pretty much got lucky that I didn't break down right on the track. The noises heard both in the cabin and out at the race track were excruciating. Listen to it and tell me what I almost broke! Or maybe did break, but haven't found out yet. The entire crowd flinched and gasped when they heard it. Anyway, after that horrible first gear launch (actually it was a great 2.3 second 60 footer, but I'm talking about the hop), the whole transmission acted dead. So, as you can see in the video, I can't find any gear to move forward in. I tried 2nd, couldn't get it go, then went to 3rd, and it was as if it was disconnected. I coasted another second, and tried 2nd again, and managed to get it to slip in. 3rd, and 4th were also super hard to get into. I pretty much thought I blew something! But, on the cooldown run back, the car was completely normal. I had power, gears, everything. So, my thought on it was that with all the rubber mounts and every bushing shoved in aggressive ways, the linkage must have been out of alignment. Who knows, but it made for a terrible 16.3 second pass.
Second run, I was extremely fearful of hopping and destroying something, so I left the tree at about the same pace as I would if I was on the street just going to work. Then I realized about a second too late that I left the traction control ON! Woops! So, naturally, the engine cut power at the end of first gear. I shifted to 2nd and simultaneously turned the DSC off, and from there on out, I was golden. The car ran good, and the trans didn't act up. It was nice. I still had a sucky 1/4 mile time, as well as MPH, but I attribute it to the fact that I left the DSC on. Anyway, not a great time out there (since the amount of cars forced incredibly long waits. I probably waited 3 hours per run.) Its so funny, because on the way home, I blew the doors off several cars that must have seen my racing numbers and wanted to play. I don't know for sure, but it seems like the car has more confidence off the track then on. And surely the engine and trans mounts are incredibly soft and crappy. That is my next mod, so I don't end up having to get a tow out of the drag strip.
Anyhow, look at the videos, critique, comment, make fun of, whatever. I'm just glad I was able to drive it home. I seriously thought I was screwed on the very first pass.
These are huge videos, I just don't have the software to downsize them. They were shot off of my Sony DSC-H2 camera in video capture mode. Pretty good resolution and pretty good frame rate IMO.
Race 1
Race 2
Wheel hop-
An undesirable suspension characteristic in which a wheel (or several) moves up and down so violently that it actually leaves the ground. Wheel hop can be caused by many problems, including excessive unsprung weight, insufficient shock damping, or poor torsional axle control.
thats the noise, it was his first run so it wasnt heat on the clutch, it wasnt the diff its an lsd, its made for a beatin, and the tires arent sticky enough stock they will just spin, especially with 275+ ft/lbs spinnign them so its not too much traction, actually its not enough.
An undesirable suspension characteristic in which a wheel (or several) moves up and down so violently that it actually leaves the ground. Wheel hop can be caused by many problems, including excessive unsprung weight, insufficient shock damping, or poor torsional axle control.
thats the noise, it was his first run so it wasnt heat on the clutch, it wasnt the diff its an lsd, its made for a beatin, and the tires arent sticky enough stock they will just spin, especially with 275+ ft/lbs spinnign them so its not too much traction, actually its not enough.
Just wanted to say, you throw I/H/E on an RSX-S and your running 13s. Thats an allmotor 2.0l thats faster than a 2.3l Turbocharged motor.zoom-zoomhatch said:They really could have, maybe not made it such a boat to start. Just as an example some people consider a stock 14.8 mustang gt or rsx-s fast.
To me it sounded like poor driving, sorry fourthmeal.jdmls88 said:Wheel hop-
An undesirable suspension characteristic in which a wheel (or several) moves up and down so violently that it actually leaves the ground. Wheel hop can be caused by many problems, including excessive unsprung weight, insufficient shock damping, or poor torsional axle control.
thats the noise, it was his first run so it wasnt heat on the clutch, it wasnt the diff its an lsd, its made for a beatin, and the tires arent sticky enough stock they will just spin, especially with 275+ ft/lbs spinnign them so its not too much traction, actually its not enough.
WTF MATE said:To me it sounded like poor driving, sorry fourthmeal.
hence the wheel hop
WTF MATE said:Just wanted to say, you throw I/H/E on an RSX-S and your running 13s. Thats an allmotor 2.0l thats faster than a 2.3l Turbocharged motor.
i/h/e on the ms3 will put u much faster than that lol(boom08)
hopupimports
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yep. vtec FTWWTF MATE said:Just wanted to say, you throw I/H/E on an RSX-S and your running 13s. Thats an allmotor 2.0l thats faster than a 2.3l Turbocharged motor.
Umm yea that wasn't the pointjdmls88 said:i/h/e on the ms3 will put u much faster than that lol(boom08)
intake, headers, exhaust on ms3 = 9 sec carWTF MATE said:Just wanted to say, you throw I/H/E on an RSX-S and your running 13s. Thats an allmotor 2.0l thats faster than a 2.3l Turbocharged motor.
zoom-zoomhatch
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In the 1/8th, actually we wouldn't be using a "header" because we're turbo cars. And how much more does a type s cost over a just sport model ms3? When lots of mods show up for this car the money you save on buying an ms3 could be alot of power.
fourthmeal
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Final say about it, kid...
Listen, and listen well, Alex (hopupimports), you know me, and I know you, in person. This means I don't intend to bulls*** you or try to be an internet toughguy. I'm going to address some issues you've brought up on this and the other forum, and that will be the end of it. You can say whatever you want after that, and I'll not respond, so you can have the final word, if you want to.
Dude, I'm ******* smart. So don't try to put words in my mouth, or make up a situation to best suit you. I don't know what kind of rose-colored glasses you are looking through when you try to pull the s*** you do while on the internet (both on this forum and your RSX one), but in real life, you don't say a word to me. Its as if you stay quiet at work to avoid the obvious "step up or shut up" comment that I'm liable to make. And honestly, thats probably for the best, because if you can't tell the truth or remember the past, you aren't worth the time it takes to say a word to. I don't lie, cheat, or steal. Now, that first one is important to you and I right now.
Here's what I mean by "I don't LIE"
You say I said my car will do 12.5. Now, use your brain here, why would I say that? If I just finished a conversation with Walter about how the car does 14 flat in Car and Driver magazine, what makes you think that I know how to drive a car 1.5 seconds better then their tester? No, I didn't say that. The only way that I can see you hearing that figure would be when the discussion turned to motorcycles and past cars. So, please, lets get it right. If I recall correctly, I believe I said that I expect to turn 14 flat or just under, 13.9 or so.
Now, I certainly didn't turn that number. And the reasons I provided were not means of excuses, they were my feelings on why it went the way it did. Since I was in the car, and I was the one that raced, I think I have a say on what I felt caused the results at hand. The car is capable of good times with practice and a little work on the trans mounts. End of discussion on this one.
We've debated recently over whether or not I've asked you to race. And the answer is yes, I've extended that invitation many times. Choosing to ignore it, or deny it is your business. But don't say i haven't. Again, it wasn't a "challenge" or a demand, the requests were to "see what they'll do", since we have the optimal road just behind the shop. Its worth mentioning here that a lot of time has passed since all this mockery, and in that time, Adam and his very quick Honda, and I, have raced that road. Both Adam and I will attest to the fact that our races were DEAD EVEN the entire run. The only way someone would get an edge on the other is if they started first. And thats how we did it so we'd have room . We'd both launch at reasonably the same time, and whoever had the nose ahead at the start ended it that way at the end. There was a particular moment where Adam's car got squirrelly after taking a slight bend in the road after calling it quits, and in fact his car kicked up a few huge rocks while sideways, which damaged my car somewhat. Its fair to say we won't do it again, nor would I recommend that road as a suitable racetrack for anybody I know. So, unless its a quick romp up to 80-90 on the backstretch, I won't be racing you there.
In fact, I won't really be racing you anywhere (unless it is strictly your idea and its safe enough), because I am done with the shop as of Saturday. So, you can bad-mouth me or make some silly comment about this issue as much as you like after that. Of course, Walter, Russell, Shadow, and virtually all the other service people know that I don't bulls*** or lie, and so whatever number or figure you remember me saying, feel free to ask those who care to remember what the truth was. I think Walter, especially, will freely remind you of how the conversation went, it its important to you. Otherwise, I'm done on this issue.
If there is nothing further to discuss about it, then lets call it over.
Listen, and listen well, Alex (hopupimports), you know me, and I know you, in person. This means I don't intend to bulls*** you or try to be an internet toughguy. I'm going to address some issues you've brought up on this and the other forum, and that will be the end of it. You can say whatever you want after that, and I'll not respond, so you can have the final word, if you want to.
Dude, I'm ******* smart. So don't try to put words in my mouth, or make up a situation to best suit you. I don't know what kind of rose-colored glasses you are looking through when you try to pull the s*** you do while on the internet (both on this forum and your RSX one), but in real life, you don't say a word to me. Its as if you stay quiet at work to avoid the obvious "step up or shut up" comment that I'm liable to make. And honestly, thats probably for the best, because if you can't tell the truth or remember the past, you aren't worth the time it takes to say a word to. I don't lie, cheat, or steal. Now, that first one is important to you and I right now.
Here's what I mean by "I don't LIE"
You say I said my car will do 12.5. Now, use your brain here, why would I say that? If I just finished a conversation with Walter about how the car does 14 flat in Car and Driver magazine, what makes you think that I know how to drive a car 1.5 seconds better then their tester? No, I didn't say that. The only way that I can see you hearing that figure would be when the discussion turned to motorcycles and past cars. So, please, lets get it right. If I recall correctly, I believe I said that I expect to turn 14 flat or just under, 13.9 or so.
Now, I certainly didn't turn that number. And the reasons I provided were not means of excuses, they were my feelings on why it went the way it did. Since I was in the car, and I was the one that raced, I think I have a say on what I felt caused the results at hand. The car is capable of good times with practice and a little work on the trans mounts. End of discussion on this one.
We've debated recently over whether or not I've asked you to race. And the answer is yes, I've extended that invitation many times. Choosing to ignore it, or deny it is your business. But don't say i haven't. Again, it wasn't a "challenge" or a demand, the requests were to "see what they'll do", since we have the optimal road just behind the shop. Its worth mentioning here that a lot of time has passed since all this mockery, and in that time, Adam and his very quick Honda, and I, have raced that road. Both Adam and I will attest to the fact that our races were DEAD EVEN the entire run. The only way someone would get an edge on the other is if they started first. And thats how we did it so we'd have room . We'd both launch at reasonably the same time, and whoever had the nose ahead at the start ended it that way at the end. There was a particular moment where Adam's car got squirrelly after taking a slight bend in the road after calling it quits, and in fact his car kicked up a few huge rocks while sideways, which damaged my car somewhat. Its fair to say we won't do it again, nor would I recommend that road as a suitable racetrack for anybody I know. So, unless its a quick romp up to 80-90 on the backstretch, I won't be racing you there.
In fact, I won't really be racing you anywhere (unless it is strictly your idea and its safe enough), because I am done with the shop as of Saturday. So, you can bad-mouth me or make some silly comment about this issue as much as you like after that. Of course, Walter, Russell, Shadow, and virtually all the other service people know that I don't bulls*** or lie, and so whatever number or figure you remember me saying, feel free to ask those who care to remember what the truth was. I think Walter, especially, will freely remind you of how the conversation went, it its important to you. Otherwise, I'm done on this issue.
If there is nothing further to discuss about it, then lets call it over.
yea but..leather, the headlights, the windshield wipers...its all pimpin and cheaper upgrading it through mazda then upgrading later....i got it because leather is a must in a car for me...after havin a cadi i cant turn back from leather.zoom-zoomhatch said:In the 1/8th, actually we wouldn't be using a "header" because we're turbo cars. And how much more does a type s cost over a just sport model ms3? When lots of mods show up for this car the money you save on buying an ms3 could be alot of power.
(rofl2) tell me you are joking right! this has to be the most light hearted post in this thread (which I cant believe is still alive)clos561 said:intake, headers, exhaust on ms3 = 9 sec car
Just to put it in perspective: A Buggati Veyron all wheel drive car with 1000 HP is a 10.2 second car - no way in hell intake, headers, exhaust are going to make you go from low 14's to 9!!! Even if they gave you 1000HP you have insufficient traction in the fwd setup to launch right....
this beats the pissing matches that have been going on of late Ill give ya that much....
Oh and on paper at least the 350Z and the MS3 are close on the 0-60, 0-100, and 1/4 mile times... didnt check the skidpad or slalom speeds
hehe Im starting to think you were talking about 1/8 mile runs and not 1/4 mile runs... in which case 9 "may" make sense and all I managed to do was amuse myself in my own confusion ..
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fourthmeal
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It can't do it 9 nor can it do it in 12.5...
It would take a LOt of changes to get to 12.5, for sure. I'm thinking drag radials in front, heavy mount reinforcement, piggyback ecu or plug-in, downpipe, exhaust, and intake. And even then I'm thinking it would pull a 12.7-12.8 or so.
It would take a LOt of changes to get to 12.5, for sure. I'm thinking drag radials in front, heavy mount reinforcement, piggyback ecu or plug-in, downpipe, exhaust, and intake. And even then I'm thinking it would pull a 12.7-12.8 or so.
Veyron
4162 lbs / 1001 hp = 4.16 lbs per hp
8L 4t 16cyl = 1001 hp
125 hp/L
62.5 hp/cyl
250.25 hp/turbo
$1,300,000 / 1001 hp = $1299 per hp
MS3
3157 lbs / 263 hp = 12.0 lbs per hp
2.3L 1t 4cyl = 263 hp
114 hp/L
65.75 hp/cyl
263 hp/turbo
$25,000 / 263 hp = $95 per hp
I really don't know why I'm posting this... maybe I'm bored.
4162 lbs / 1001 hp = 4.16 lbs per hp
8L 4t 16cyl = 1001 hp
125 hp/L
62.5 hp/cyl
250.25 hp/turbo
$1,300,000 / 1001 hp = $1299 per hp
MS3
3157 lbs / 263 hp = 12.0 lbs per hp
2.3L 1t 4cyl = 263 hp
114 hp/L
65.75 hp/cyl
263 hp/turbo
$25,000 / 263 hp = $95 per hp
I really don't know why I'm posting this... maybe I'm bored.
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