Problem after 5500 RPM in the P5

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Hey i was on my way to work this morning in the P5,the car was running like a champ.I stop at a toll booth on the turnpike pay my do's and take off.I go through the gears like i usually do. All of a sudden i put her in third and step on it to get around this big ass truck and when i hit around 5500 RPM the car just seemed to bog down.WTF. I get off on my exit stop at the light rev the motor in neutral and all seems to be ok. I put her in first start to go and at 5500 she bogs down,put it in second 5500 bogs down.WTF shes doing it in every gear now:mad: .I take care of my car like its my child i change the oil religously at 3500 miles with mobil-1 and always use premium fuel.I put on some new 17 inch rims i got over the holidays about 4 days ago and the car was running fine untill today. She just seems to loose alot of power after 5500 rpm she never did this before. What could it be? I doubt its the wheels. I checked everything and all seems to be fine under the hood . Could it be my intake, maybe the plugs have gone bad.My car only has 13000 miles AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I,m so pissed. I'm going to Mazda service ASAP and have them check it out.I hope its not the tranny and if your wondering i dont beat the s*** out of it.Can somebody shine some light on this dark day for me, im depressed now:(
 
if it were an older car with an old style ignition coil, that would be my guess. either the coils or the plug wires. go through any heavy rain / deep water? any CEL's?
 
No rain,no puddles for the past two weeks. No CEL either.I'm also thinking it could be the ignition,perhaps one of the coils or plugs have gone bad. I need to check my wires and plugs when i get home.Gonna check out the MAF to.
 
Also when does the VICS open up? After the car hits normal operating temp, or do they open as you hit a certain rpm when driving.I thought they stayed closed when the motor is cold for emission purposes and opened up once the car was warmed up?If it is the VICS what needs to be fixed/replaced?
 
This was taken from another FORUM


What is VICS?
VICS is "Variable Inertia Charging System" and is also refered to as "Variable Intake
Control System". In conventional intake manifolds, they are designed to have an air flow
compromise between low end and top end power. Because of this compromise, power
delivery from the engine is not optimum nor ideal. What some manufacturers (such as
Nissan and Mazda for example) have done is designed the intake manifold to have an
isolated runner system (there are many types of intake manifolds) to offer the best flow
characteristics. They didn't stop there. To squeeze as much power out of the engine, yet
allowing the vehicle to be streetable and mass producable, they added a secondary set
of intake runners into the manifold. With this dual runner system, there is the long runner
system for low to mid level RPM operation, and the short runner system for high RPMs.
On Mazda's dual runner intake systems (hereafter refered to as "VICS"), they designed
the long runners to be narrow and oval in shape to help promote air velocity at the lower
RPM ranges. As for the short runners, they are much larger and circular in shape to allow
for maximum flow capability at high RPM. There are butterfly shutter valves fitted over
the short runner and they are normally closed off. When engine speed is reached to a
predetermined rate by the ECU, a solenoid valve is opened and vacuum opens the
butterflies to allow for additional air flow into the engine. Hence the reason why the
system is "variable". It allows for optimum drivabilty and performance at most RPM
ranges. Note when this system is used with high boost forced induction systems, they
hinder performance rather than aid it because of the runner sizes. For high boost
applications, it is recommended that a large single (stage) isolated runner intake manifold
be used.


What is VTCS?
VTCS is "Variable Tumble Control System" or commonly refered to as swirl control
valves. This system only exists on the 3rd generation ULEV certified cars and is used
only on engine cold starts (under the following criteria: coolant temperature is less than
65C/149F). When active, the butterflies located at the end of the intake runners are
closed leaving a small notch aproximately 1/4 the size of the runners to allow for
turbulent air flow to reach the head and combustion chamber. The swirl caused by the
turbulent air aids the combustion process when the engine is still in its cold state "rich
fuel mixture" condition, therefore reducing cold start emissions. Hydrocarbon emissions
are significantly reduced due to this system. This system is also the cause of the infamous
cold start engine rattle that seem to happen between 2500-2800rpm on some 2.0l
engines. There is no known legal fix to this issue yet and Mazda is aware of the problem.
What is happening on the few 2.0l engines is normal and there is no need to worry. The
inclusion of this system also causes some performance restriction to the engine even when
the system is inactive.
 
hmm... I've seen this before... maybe because I wrote this and it came out of the Protege FAQ? :rolleyes:

perhaps you didn't see the big red text there saying "granted for web
linking and viewing through any website only and may not be reproduced without permission"

please post a link, not a paste

chuck said:
This was taken from another FORUM


What is VICS?
VICS is "Variable Inertia Charging System" and is also refered to as "Variable Intake
Control System". In conventional intake manifolds, they are designed to have an air flow
compromise between low end and top end power. Because of this compromise, power
delivery from the engine is not optimum nor ideal. What some manufacturers (such as
Nissan and Mazda for example) have done is designed the intake manifold to have an
isolated runner system (there are many types of intake manifolds) to offer the best flow
characteristics. They didn't stop there. To squeeze as much power out of the engine, yet
allowing the vehicle to be streetable and mass producable, they added a secondary set
of intake runners into the manifold. With this dual runner system, there is the long runner
system for low to mid level RPM operation, and the short runner system for high RPMs.
On Mazda's dual runner intake systems (hereafter refered to as "VICS"), they designed
the long runners to be narrow and oval in shape to help promote air velocity at the lower
RPM ranges. As for the short runners, they are much larger and circular in shape to allow
for maximum flow capability at high RPM. There are butterfly shutter valves fitted over
the short runner and they are normally closed off. When engine speed is reached to a
predetermined rate by the ECU, a solenoid valve is opened and vacuum opens the
butterflies to allow for additional air flow into the engine. Hence the reason why the
system is "variable". It allows for optimum drivabilty and performance at most RPM
ranges. Note when this system is used with high boost forced induction systems, they
hinder performance rather than aid it because of the runner sizes. For high boost
applications, it is recommended that a large single (stage) isolated runner intake manifold
be used.


What is VTCS?
VTCS is "Variable Tumble Control System" or commonly refered to as swirl control
valves. This system only exists on the 3rd generation ULEV certified cars and is used
only on engine cold starts (under the following criteria: coolant temperature is less than
65C/149F). When active, the butterflies located at the end of the intake runners are
closed leaving a small notch aproximately 1/4 the size of the runners to allow for
turbulent air flow to reach the head and combustion chamber. The swirl caused by the
turbulent air aids the combustion process when the engine is still in its cold state "rich
fuel mixture" condition, therefore reducing cold start emissions. Hydrocarbon emissions
are significantly reduced due to this system. This system is also the cause of the infamous
cold start engine rattle that seem to happen between 2500-2800rpm on some 2.0l
engines. There is no known legal fix to this issue yet and Mazda is aware of the problem.
What is happening on the few 2.0l engines is normal and there is no need to worry. The
inclusion of this system also causes some performance restriction to the engine even when
the system is inactive.
 
calm down edwin, are you actually making a profit off of your faq, so why would it matter if someone is going to paste a small section to help someone on a forum?
 
Yea I would FU**** paste a link if it wasn't so far hidden down the menus

Yea I would FU**** paste a link if it wasn't so far hidden down the menus without being able to directly link to it.
 
Its fixed, i just reset the ECU and its all good now.For some reason the VICS was not opening seemed like it got stuck.Thanks fellas:)
 
TheMAN said:
hmm... I've seen this before... maybe because I wrote this and it came out of the Protege FAQ? :rolleyes:

perhaps you didn't see the big red text there saying "granted for web
linking and viewing through any website only and may not be reproduced without permission"

please post a link, not a paste


Your Serious?
:rolleyes:
 
For some reason the VICS just got stuck.I was reving the motor from the throttle body to see if the lever would move after a certain rpm like it used to and it wasnt doing anything.Thats why after 5500 rpm i wasnt getting any power i guess the flaps were not opening allowing enough air in the combustion chamber resulting in loss of power.I shut the car off and moved the lever with my hand and it seemed to be moving fine it must have got jammed somehow.I just reset the computer by disconnecting the negative and letting it sit for a while and it runs better than new again.
 
DooMer_MP3 said:


I wouldn't be too surprised. He IS a moderator over at... THE OTHER BOARD (sssh) ...


Chris

This Excuses Douchbag antics?

That should be posted in hopes of helping all Protege owners, not just the ones on HIS board. Not to mention HE DIDN"T INVENT THIS SYSTEM. Its not like he can copywrite information found else where. He is not the Mazda Engineer that designed it or the guy that wrote the service manual so he is just a reuser himself, even if it is his own words.

Take the stickies I put up in the car audio forum, I wouldn't care if they copied and made there own stickies over on the other boards. Its not like I personaly removed every models protege door panel and discovered the speaker sizes for myself. I simply did a little research, I deserve no credit for the info and can't tell other how to use it!
 
TECHNICAL 5 said:
For some reason the VICS just got stuck.I was reving the motor from the throttle body to see if the lever would move after a certain rpm like it used to and it wasnt doing anything.Thats why after 5500 rpm i wasnt getting any power i guess the flaps were not opening allowing enough air in the combustion chamber resulting in loss of power.I shut the car off and moved the lever with my hand and it seemed to be moving fine it must have got jammed somehow.I just reset the computer by disconnecting the negative and letting it sit for a while and it runs better than new again.

So you think it just fixed itself when you moved it manualy?
thanks
 
ahhhhhhh FINALLY someone else with something similiar to my problems. Well almost. I am getting this bog down as well. Really noticeable at night because the damn headlights dim. Also does it when cruising on the highway at speed. It is like it just all of a sudden starts to bog down or die and then bam it is gone again. I had the IAC valve replaced under warranty at 3500 miles and have tons of idle problems still. I wonder if the VICS is the culprite for this hesitation or bogging. It kinda feels like something grabs the car for a second and won't let it go. Like I said much more noticeable at night and happens much more often when it is cold outside.

And If I were you I would take it back to the dealer. I am sorry but with me the damn car just turned 6500 and I am not about to just use the old computer reset to fix this and hope that it just goes away. I shouldn't have to do this on a damn car that is not even 6 months old.
 
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