Possibilities going N/A

Now if you are fronting the cash to have a custom crank forged with more rev happy rod ratio's and a full engine balance

there's the nail....you hit it right in the middle ;)

eventually i'll be getting lightweight rods, pistons, knife edging the crank and having the engine completely balanced (well as close to possible anyway). also increasing the piston size from 83mm to 86mm will definately help a lot

yes it'll cost a lot of money, but i'll save that money in the long run because the engine wouldnt require a rebuild as often. i want my final build to be bullet proof.

2 more sleeps til cams are installed ;)
 
ps - i should add...i've gotta love it that my dad used to be a mechanic before he passed away - i know so many people that can help me....and i have all the tools i could ever need. hell 2/3 of my tools are up at my mum's place because i never use them!!!
 
CAMS UPDATE....

well it's sunday night here in australia....no new cams installed. i had two issues.

number one, i was going off 2nd hand information about the cams and in particular the cam pins (pin for the camsprocket). i was told the intake and exhaust are exactly the same. well they arent. the exhaust pin is opposite the intake pin - ie it is 180deg different. this isnt a problem however, i'm just going to courier the cams back to my camshaft engineer to machine a hole where it should be and fill the old hole (to keep the cam balanced as much as possible).

second, the cam pins i have are the wrong size. once again not an issue, i'll just get the cam guy to get me other ones.

but for those eager for the how-to, i have started writing it up. i just need to take a few more pictures when i hopefully install the cams next weekend and i'll be done within about a week after that.

but i just have to say the cams i got are noticably bigger!!! the old cam lobes are like /\, straightish up to the peak and straightish down. the new cams is more like the top half of a O. much thicker throughout the lobe. shall be a very interesting first run next weekend!!!!

later
 
ok people, i have some news...

i wont have my cams installed until the weekend of october 18-19. i dont have enough time to get the cams organised, installed and dyno'd before i get the headwork started (7th of october), but the good news is that after the 19th of october i will have a rather powerful car....headwork AND cams.... :D :D :D

so i wont have a dyno run with just the cams, but i will try and get a dyno done shortly after the head and new cams are installed. that shall be very very interesting!!!

later
 
/members/green MP3/dsc00573.jpg IF YOU BUILT IT , IT WILL COME.



HEy guys. I am new in this website but not to the FS engines.

I modified my engine by porting and polishing the Head, Intake
Manifold and throtle body, plusss i got Ovesize valves.
I can tell you that my car is running really sweet and that i can confirm that it really gives you alot of horses(for the non-believers). I also lighten my flywheel and got a scoop in my hood,so i got plenty of AIR. p5sundevil Said that our engines Have bottle neck parts..... Well he is totally right. This is one of the biggest problems that FS engines have and I already solved it. I am going to start selling intakes like the one you seen in my picture but before that i am going to Dyno my car to get all the right readings. I can assure you that the proteges Engines have alot of potencial, you just gotta find it.
 
i think someone in australia said he was getting a port and polish as well as a bunch of valve work for around 500 american. which is not bad for the headwork and valve work.

Im not sure how much on top of that work on the intake mani and stuff would be, any ideas on pricing green? I am very interested as it would be the only alternative to either having mine done or getting the Jspec which both options I dont like.
 
some more NA bolt-on info...

Equinox, a member of this forum, has the excellent AWR header, an HKS 2.5" catback exhuast, and an Injen CIA (even with a bypass valve) on his P5 for a total output of 126whp/133lb/ft of torque...NO CAMS!!...he also has a lightwieght flywheel, but the dyno only showed about a 1/2whp for a 3rd gear pull, so that is expected...in 1st and second the car probably pulls much better...

So he is making roughly 155bhp for pretty cheap...and the restrictive cams and ECU haven't even been touched yet...
 
POrting and POLIsh

(greenpro)


As you saw my intake was not just ported and polished but REDONE..... The normal intake has 8 holes and 8 throttles inside the manifold. allt of them were removed and the 8 holes were converted in to 4 big ones. I was very impressed with the Price in Autralia since it cost me way more than that, but also i need to remember that my head was completly changed since the valve seat had to be re-done (much bigger and wider) so the new valves could be fitted. i am goint to post a picture of it.
 
here is my head LOL
 

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looks nice, the price i said before was just for a port and plish as well as valve work. it was not anything like what you described above changing the actual design of the holes and so forth.

I imagine that you are planning either big N/A numbers with work like that or huge boosted numbers with all that N/A buildup.

either way very nice work and I look forward to seeing the numbers you get, I have to start pricing out all the work I eventually want done.
 
Introduction

Hello guys again.

I just finished reading all the posts on this thread and i am very impressed by the knowledge of all you guys, fighting about going N/A or turbo was fun i think but both can achieve alot of gains.
I am new here and i haven't even introduce myself(bad manners)

I should start by saying that i have loved mazdas all my life and that my first one was an MX6 89 GT turbo, i had a lot of fun with that car and smoked alot of hondas with it :P ,then a MX3 V6 came along and so did the chicks :)) later my brother got an MX6 v6 93 and we were all a big happy family.
My granpa' and my father are both very good mechanics and well i was in their shop since i was 5 years old so even though my dad did not want me to be a mechanic i learned the trade and very good thanks to them and my mechanic blood. I don't do it as a profession but more for hobbie. I am an electronic technician and work in the avionics field but love to fix my cars or modified them.
I now own the only green MP3 in the USA. It was converted from an ES to Mp3 to the last bolt. It's green and mean now and it has a sunroof :). I bought a Blue MP3 wrecked from the roof and transfered all the parts to my ES (Susp, interior,rack and pinion,spoilers,ECU, transmision since it used to be an Automatic ES model, muffler, radio and speakers etc)
I also put a functional scoop, double rear wing spoilers and brembo drill/slotted rotors.
The Head was ported and polished and has ovesize intake valves(see picture and you will notice how they barely fit in the chamber)also the intake manifold was cut ported and polished.
the throttle was bored and polished and the flywheel was reduced in weight from 18.5 stock lbs to 14 lbs so i wouldn't loose too much torque like with the 9 lbs that they sell.
My car is running real nice but i do have to tune it up since i got too much air now and little fuel. When the engine reaches 4500 rpms it just takes off but before that it just asks for more fuel.
I am currently working on the fuel management system,injectors,fuel pressure and coming up with a much better spark system. having all of this done and tuned will make my car an N/A beast with no cams yet!!! later i will also go turbo intercooled and well that will give me enough power to go around.

since i have an extra engine with 11 k miles i am going to built a 450 hp engine for a friend of mine that is willing to pay for the parts. it will be completly re-done, from botton end to head so i will post it when i finish it. It will be fitted in a Protege 5....

For all of you i got just one question. Does the MP3 and the Mazdaspeed have the same pistons and are they forged oronly the Mazda speeds. I will thank you guys alot if you can answer this for me :))..

Anyway guys i am very impressed with all of you and keep making them fast,thrust me this engines can take it, the only weak parts are the Rods but the rest are strong as an oak.

And remember IF YOU BUILT IT, IT WILL RUN......
 
7500 rpmS LIMITTER.

By the way guys since i put all of this in my car for some reason
my car is limitting the revs to 7500 rpms or sometimes if i rev it real quick it will go even higher, I gotten it to 7900 one time.

i think it's just revving too fast and the ECU it's too slow to acknolege but either way i am very happy that this is happenig although i am not reving it more that 7k for safety.

Any ideas guys of the fenomenom????
 
im very impressed green mp3. i hope you stay around to help us all out! :)

and as far as i know, you are the first to ever swap an auto to a manual on the 3rd gen protege (at least in the 2 major online message boards) and im sure some auto people would love to hear about it.


once again, Welcome! :)
 
sundevil, yep i'm the aussie you speak of :) - head is going in for the work tuesday 7 october, will be reinstalled into the car 18-19 october....dyno shortly after

green, welcome! first of all, i was thinking about getting oversize valves, but have come to the conclusion i wouldnt really see much benefit...obviously there would be benefit, but unless i'm punching out huge figures, the cost/power ratio in my books isnt worth it. what mm oversize are your valves?
have you had a change to dyno your mp3 yet? should be very interesting ;)
sounds like you have plenty of knowledge to give to this board. i hope you hang around!

installshield - yeah i cant wait to see what my car pulls with head and cam work considering what equinox has got...but then again i havent touched the exhaust except for the gutted wu-cat
 
Green-
Sorry to bust your bubble, but I know a guy with a green mp3.
To answer your question, the msp and mp3 use the same engine. Thus no forged internals for anyone. But pauter does make rods and JE just released pistons for the fs engine.

Moose
 
mp3moose said:
Green-
Sorry to bust your bubble, but I know a guy with a green mp3.
To answer your question, the msp and mp3 use the same engine. Thus no forged internals for anyone. But pauter does make rods and JE just released pistons for the fs engine.

Moose

Both the MSP and MP3 have a forged crank, which is an internal...The MSP has slightly redesigned piston crowns, for better quench area, and also has slightly different connecting rods...still not forged...

FWIW the changes made to the FS-DE for the MSP were performed in 2002.5...so any 02.5 car has an identical FS internally to the MSP...The 02/01 FS-DE's, which is also what is in the MP3, are all the same...Every Protege 2.0L FS-DE is immensely better and stronger than any other car it was ever in...(Probe SE, 626's, MX-6 2.0Ls etc...)
 

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