Nitrous MSP?

[acidbug]

Guys..About runnin nitrous shot before the turbo...NOt a good Idea..Think of it this way...Extremely hot turbo..meets..below zero gas..

I would think the turbo would crack..due to the drastic change in temperature!

If ya wanna do it right..Get a 35 shot before the throttle body...Wet Shot ofcourse!

And the engine should definetly be able to hold down a small shot like that!

Chas

 

[Apexi]

people use nitrous before the turbo all the time, usually not in small applications like the t25, its usually used to speed up the spool in big laggy turbos

 

[kwiktsi]

people use nitrous before the turbo all the time, usually not in small applications like the t25, its usually used to speed up the spool in big laggy turbos

Before the turbo? I can't see that being good for the impeller blades- even though it is a gas, it is pretty dense and has to erode them. Not as bad as if you were to spray water injection ito the turbo (OUCH!!!) but can't be too good for it either.. The faster spool comes from the motor becoming more "effecient" while sprayed and moving more air. It is not the nitrous itself going through the cold side that spools it faster.
Joe

 

[twiztedjeckel]

the Rotary Performance drag/street legal RX-7 runs a T-78 and a 50 shot to spool it. she's doin fine with it and running 9's in the quarter(bowdown) (bowdown)

 

[Apexi]

*my mistake, after the turbo

 

[kwiktsi]

the Rotary Performance drag/street legal RX-7 runs a T-78 and a 50 shot to spool it. she's doin fine with it and running 9's in the quarter(bowdown) (bowdown)

Yes, but I don't think the shot goes "into" the turbo. I don't know anyone that does that.. When they say they are using it to spool the turbo, that just means they are using a small shot and only hitting it down low to get the turbo going, after that they release the button- or so they say .. When I had my Talon, I said I used a 50 shot to spool the turbo and that's it. I did, but then I hit the 125 shot for the rest of the run ..
Joe

 

[twiztedjeckel]

so what your saying was your talon wasn't that fast?

 

[Tommy1005]

So, if I backed off my MBC to 7psi and threw a 35-50 shot on it, I would get faster spool, more horsepower than the 10psi I'm at now, a great cooling effect (thus negating our POS intercooler), and shouldn't blow my motor. I'm calling a friend of mine who just took his kit off his Mustang and I'm gonna try to put it in in the next couple of weeks. We'll see how it goes. Oh yeah, those 2nd gen Lightning DO NOT run stand alone. You can run a 150hp shot w/ +6lbs of boost on a Lightning with a Diablo chip in the stock computer. Just thought I'd clear that up.

 

[low_psi]

um, yea RP has their s*** together. my friend and his dad got their project FD tuned there, and not only are the guys nice as hell, they're also tuning gods when it comes turbos and rotories.

-most of the guys in houston that drag their lightnings are spraying... i dunno what kits, but they haul ass.

a fast dsm? i doubt it

 

[kwiktsi]

so what your saying was your talon wasn't that fast?

Lol... You tell me- stock turbo and a 75 shot went 11.9@116, my 60trim @23 psi, FMIC, VPC, 3" exhaust and a 125 shot... .. Never took that combo to the track though, but I took out a bunch of mid 11 second cars on the street . Then I sold that one and built another one with the same turbo, exhaust, etc but ran a haltech and no spray- that is the one that did 487 to the wheels. The bottle car was faster though and much more streetable with a VPC over a Haltech..
Joe

 

[acidbug]

Before the turbo? I can't see that being good for the impeller blades- even though it is a gas, it is pretty dense and has to erode them. Not as bad as if you were to spray water injection ito the turbo (OUCH!!!) but can't be too good for it either.. The faster spool comes from the motor becoming more "effecient" while sprayed and moving more air. It is not the nitrous itself going through the cold side that spools it faster.
Joe

Thank You Joe...There is so much F8cken bad info flying around by people who don't know what they are talking about!!

As joe had mentioned..the idea of spoolin up the turbo is not shooting nitrous into the turbo..but rather using the nitrous directly through the throttle body to give the car better pickup..which is especailly good when you have a guy runnin a t3/t4 huge ass turbo..that takes allot more time to spool up compared to the mazdaspeeds t25 ball bearing turbo...

Nitrous does the samething in a sense as a turbo..creates more air for combustion..

A tubo forces more air..nitrous creates the air!!

Chas

 

[Crockett59]

A tubo forces more air..nitrous creates the air!!

That is about the best I have every seen anyone put that.

 

[FrozenMazda]

I know Venom makes a kit that I was looking at for my MX-6, but was wondering if it would work for the MSP. (shrug) After the flash, I'm still having a little hesitation if I accelerate from 2nd gear (1st is too quick to notice). With the Venom system, you could program where the nitrous would turn on and off so you could run it on the low end and then shut it off when you're in the boost RPM's for the turbo.

If all you're looking for is quicker spool, would that be a possible solution?

Also, has anybody tried the NOSzle system on their vehicle and if so, how do you like it?

-Roach

 

[kwiktsi]

I know Venom makes a kit that I was looking at for my MX-6, but was wondering if it would work for the MSP. (shrug) After the flash, I'm still having a little hesitation if I accelerate from 2nd gear (1st is too quick to notice). With the Venom system, you could program where the nitrous would turn on and off so you could run it on the low end and then shut it off when you're in the boost RPM's for the turbo.

If all you're looking for is quicker spool, would that be a possible solution?

Also, has anybody tried the NOSzle system on their vehicle and if so, how do you like it?

-Roach

Lol- quicker spool out of a T25 :0.. Drive a car with a real turbo on it and the T25 would feel like it has the bottom end grunt of a big block ...
Joe

****Disclaimer (since one is needed around here)- I am not making fun of you, bashing you, or belittling you in any way shape or form- written, expressed or implied. I am just making a point ..****

 

[FrozenMazda]

(lol) Whah!!!!! I JUST GOT (flame2) !!! J/K (rofl) No need for a disclaimer here. My skin isn't paper thin. This is my first turbo car and I will admit that I don't know much about it. Maybe I should have stated it as: "instead of a quicker spool, could you use this to cut out possible turbo lag?"

I also see that people are talking about the nitrous as a possible answer to our rich A/F ratio issue. If it's injected dry at the filter (as said in the first post), would the MAF see that and add more fuel?

Would it be more beneficial to inject after the MAF so there is "more air" going in than what the MAF senses?

 

[twiztedjeckel]

Lol... You tell me- stock turbo and a 75 shot went 11.9@116

i was just bustin your ass man. i figured we needed a little laughter in this thread.

my buddy from Rochester has a similar turbo on his talon. FPT green or something like that? don't remember the specs but i think it was pretty close to a 60-1.

and yes,these turbo could be used in a series to spool a larger turbo if you really want to make them sound like the pea shooters they are. the boost comes on so quickly and effortlessly its not even funny. i like riding in my buddies talon because you know that is one seriously boosted b**** running at 19psi. that thing spools and BAM! have fun pulling yourself off the back of the seat after that

 

[Crockett59]

OKay, this is my first experience with a turbo car too. I have been into the Supercharged 5.4 scene for about 2 years. I run about 11 PSI in my HD, and I see 14.0's at the track. For a 5700 lb 4 door pickup, I would say that is good.

So what the Heck do I have to do to this MSP to make it SCARY fast at the track?

 

[jred321]

So what the Heck do I have to do to this MSP to make it SCARY fast at the track?

a whole hell of a lot

 

[Crockett59]

a whole hell of a lot

That sucks!!!!! I talked her into this car cause it had a turbo. Then I find out that it is a little wimpy turbo that produces a tiny bit of boost, followed by an engine that can only hold about 250 hp, followed by a lite duty transmisson. :wtf:

Oh well. I'll get it a little faster, then I guess she (me) will have to deal with it.

 

[jred321]

well if you consider 14.0 scary fast, then that won't be super hard. 13's will be more expensive. getting 12's will take a lot of money though, and i don't consider that scary fast or even close to it.