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[got wake?]

Oh wake I got a few questions for ya I just thought of. I've always seemed to like adire subs so I would probably get one for my car. If I get that CA-50 i would have about 170 watts is that correct?

Would in your opinion (as adires biatch lol) to get a Koda or a Brahma? I'm not going for all out hip hop or SPL crazyness I just want something that is effecient and sounds great. The amount of ass shaking power is not my main concern, but it is nice to have on tap .

koda all the way. even with 280, that doesn't do the brahma any justice. 500 is the minimum i'd run to it. they koda is a 4 ohm sub, so you'd be sending it 170 watts. that's nowhere near the koda's power handling, so unless you clip the hell out of the amp, the sub will last forever. it uses the same xbl^2 technology that the brahma uses for low distortion through nearly it's entire movement. a single 10" koda would be sweet.

 

[got wake?]

I just looked at the rating again and it's 170 @ 4 ohm and 280 @ 2 ohm. I never actually asked/learned what the differnence in resistance does. Please can you tell me what the difference is between those 2 settings. Thanks

those aren't settings that you can change on the amp. you match up subwoofers to what the amp can handle and how much power you want it to put out. hooking up a single 4 ohm sub to the amp will present the amp with a 4 ohm load, so it will put out around 170 watts. hook up a single 2 ohm or a dual 4 ohm sun (in parallel wiring configuration) the amp will see a 2 ohm load, so it will put out around 280 watts.

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/wiringwizard.asp

play around with that for a little while.

 

[sndsgood]

the lower the ohm load the more power your amp will put out. this is all relative to the quality of amp. a high quality amp can usually play down to2 ohms fine. some amps can handle 1 ohm. in general terms a amp will gennerally put out twice the power going from 4 ohms to 2 ohms. but more heat is gennerated so make sure the amp can handle it. this as in everything in car audio is dependant on allot of things. u have amps like the jl's wich roughly put out the same power at varying ohm loads. and i'm sure you can still find some cheater amps out there that put out 3 and 4x their power at a lower ohm load.


yeah sq can be fatiguing to the ears but the spl is the worst of the two. don't nessicary think its just the bass though, think its the combination of loud bass and exhaust fumes lol

 

[EvilMSP]

I was doing some research when I asked that wake and Adires page says that "normal" operation of the brahma is 200-400 watts. But you have used them and you know I am going for SQ more so I'll listen to your opinion.

Yeah a Koda 10 sounds nice. What do you mean by clip that amp? Also should I even consider a Shiva or is Koda the way to go?

 

[got wake?]

I was doing some research when I asked that wake and Adires page says that "normal" operation of the brahma is 200-400 watts. But you have used them and you know I am going for SQ more so I'll listen to your opinion.

Yeah a Koda 10 sounds nice. What do you mean by clip that amp? Also should I even consider a Shiva or is Koda the way to go?

where does it say 200-400 watts for a brahma? i fed mine 1100 daily and 2300 for comps the reason why i recomend the koda over the brahma is that the brahma is capable of very high SPL levels, and it has a very powerful motor. that motor takes substantially more power to move than a koda, so at the lower power levels you have, the koda would be better suited for you. the koda also weighs a lot less (under half as much).

clipping an amp is when you reach the highest AC voltage output that an amp can put out, then turn the gain or volume up higher which increases the amperage output, but the voltage stays the same. wattage = voltage X amperage, so you get more wattage, but no more voltage, so instead of the power being in a sine wave form, it turns more into a square wave. once you get it into a square wave form, you can hear the difference, and it's not pleasant. it's great for SPL comps, but not for SQ. if you fully clip an amp you can double the output power, but it can be very damaging to speakers.

the koda is a bit more, but you get the low distortion of the xbl2 and a smaller sub. the shiva would sound great, though. however the koda has lower power handling and will use the power more efficiently, so until you get over say 300 watts, you probably wouln't be able to hear a difference in output.

 

[EvilMSP]

Here's where it says it: (page 4 1/2 way down)

http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/BrahmaOwnersGuide.pdf

And yeah the Koda sounds like a good choice since I just want a good quality sub more than an ass shaker.

Also I saw it for sale for something like 160 I think online, something like that. Today I'm going to go to some stores and take a look at headunits and speakers. Hopefully I'll find something nice.

Ans I keep forgetting that I don't NEED a HU right now cause I still have the stock MSP which I believe has the same preouts that I need. So I could always get speakers + amp now and wire everything up so when I get a new HU I can just plug it right in.

 

[EvilMSP]

Also my carpenter friend and I were looking at the koda specs and I saw how it is only 1 cubic foot, wow thats small. Would it be better to change the design of the box to make it smoother or something like that? Also I know some differences in ported vs sealed but what if you are going for SQ?

And the only reason why I think I can make it "smoother" is because my audio buddy has a tempest in his car with a good sized box tuned to...I forget how many hertz and then he has 2 in his room for home audio in boxes like 4-5 times as big, they are huge pyramids. Like 5 feet high lol. And the sound is amazingly difference from one system to the other. Car is way more punchy than the ultra smooth ones in his house.

 

[EvilMSP]

Hmmm after doing some more research I like the Nakamichi still. I'd post a closer link but it won't let me (http://www.nakamichiusa.com/ the CD-400). I'm only worried that it might have too few options, but I'm not sure.

Also I noticed that the CD-400 only has one pre-out. Now my system will consist of 2 components and a sub eventually I only need the 1 pre-out since I will most likely get that CA-50 5 channel amp. My only possible problem with it is that the pre-out is always referred to for a sub. A sub pre-out that ignores the fade control functions yada yada. I know I am paranoid but will that effect anything at all? Will it be ok to have the CA-50 plugged into that to have everything on? Will I be able to have audio controls on my speakers? Cause it sounds like I might not be able to . But I'm probably being paranoid, just asking to be sure.

 

[EvilMSP]

Haha sorry for posting so many times on my own thread but I keep doing more and more research so I get more questions.

Wake I was looking at the speakers you listed the DLS UR6S and they look cool but they are a little too much, so 2 questions.

1. Since I'll probably get the 5 channel amp consider this system now will have a 10" koda for sure. So should I still get a 6" mid or should I think about a 5" mid?

2. And what speakers do they carry that are more in the 300-400tops area? I would look myself but I can't seem to find any prices, you can just tell me where you found them and I can do all the research on my own.

Thanks again I really appreciate all the info!!

AND the giant giggling boobs that doesnt hurt either.

 

[Poseur]

Personally, I think those Kodas you were initially talking about would be a good choice in that price range. I personally haven't ever heard DLS's so I couldn't honestly compare IMO, but THey are a good solid fairly flat speaker that would do you well.

As for the size thing. I'd run 5's ONLY if it were part of a 3-way setup and they were going in kicks with larger midwoofers in the doors. 5's are very good sounding, but they struggle to get down to the 80hz range where you want to be to keep all of your sound upfront. Theoretically below 80hz is non-directional, but I honestly seem to be able to hear sources down to about 70 or so. The reasoning is that eventhougha nice SQ sub can play those higher notes cleanly, you'll still hear the bass coming from the trunk. instead of it seamlessly blending. Eitherway, a 6'll fit easily in your doors, there's no space issue to speak of, so you should be alright.

As far as HU's that Nak is indeed sweet, and I nearly bought one, but the MP3 thing was just too tempting for me. I can't live without it. But yes, you're right, you've prolly got ahwile til your kenwood craps out. So you could save some money there and get everythign else inplac,ethen just plug and go... As far as the RCAs are concerned, it's only really an issue if there's any tweaking you'd want to do from the HU. Most amps have a line-out anywhichway, so you can "daisychain" them if you had more than one. Also I wouldn't rule-out the possibility of getting a 4 channel amp and running the front two channels to your components and the rear's bridged to a sub, this is a very common simle SQ setup and does many ppl quite well. Unless you intend to bi-amp components or something it may be a more logical choice and better use of power.

Oh, sidenote, but something you should also consider, depending on the power you intend to push, is pulling new wire to your doors, and dynamatting them. Sound deadening on the doors makes a HUGE difference.

 

[EvilMSP]

Thanks for the info.

Yeah so far the 2 x 100 amps in the quality range are getting to be a little too much. And since I wouldn't need a super wattage setup for my sub this 4 x 50 + 1 x 170 seems like a good deal. It seems like bridging is the way to go, but that is just what I've seen so far.

And I am beginning to plan the install of the speakers. I will definetly put new wires in there and perhaps I'll do something fun with the doors but I am not sure. For now I might just throw em in there and later on I can make it really nice. Or I might try putting them into a sealed box or something like that, I'm not sure. It's hard cause I'm trying to think of the future also.

Also I wouldn't be suprised if I ended up with the Koda's either cause I know someone that heard them. He said they were good but nothing special, but I'm not sure if he was being to anal. I just wanna find the DLS's in the same price range and try to hear those if I can.

 

[chuyler1]

For my fiance's car, I used a PPI 5 channel amp and bridged the front and rear channels. That gave me 120x2 + 200x1 out of a single amp. Perfect for an SQ setup with components and a sub.

 

[got wake?]

Here's where it says it: (page 4 1/2 way down)

http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/BrahmaOwnersGuide.pdf

ah yes, the owners manual, forgot to check there(hand) they are just trying to make the point that you don't need 1600 watts to push the sub, however with owning one, i wouldn't run my under 500 watts.

Also my carpenter friend and I were looking at the koda specs and I saw how it is only 1 cubic foot, wow thats small. Would it be better to change the design of the box to make it smoother or something like that? Also I know some differences in ported vs sealed but what if you are going for SQ?

And the only reason why I think I can make it "smoother" is because my audio buddy has a tempest in his car with a good sized box tuned to...I forget how many hertz and then he has 2 in his room for home audio in boxes like 4-5 times as big, they are huge pyramids. Like 5 feet high lol. And the sound is amazingly difference from one system to the other. Car is way more punchy than the ultra smooth ones in his house.

lol, the brahma will work in a .3 cu ft enclosure that's friggin' tiny. typically .5 cu ft and 500 watts to it sounds awesome for sealed.

what are you talking about changing for the box design to make it smoother? if you are going for SQ, go sealed, or ported tuned very low, depending on your tastes.

 

[got wake?]

Haha sorry for posting so many times on my own thread but I keep doing more and more research so I get more questions.

Wake I was looking at the speakers you listed the DLS UR6S and they look cool but they are a little too much, so 2 questions.

1. Since I'll probably get the 5 channel amp consider this system now will have a 10" koda for sure. So should I still get a 6" mid or should I think about a 5" mid?

2. And what speakers do they carry that are more in the 300-400tops area? I would look myself but I can't seem to find any prices, you can just tell me where you found them and I can do all the research on my own.

Thanks again I really appreciate all the info!!

AND the giant giggling boobs that doesnt hurt either.

http://www.carsound.com/UBB/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=006942
$325 for a new set

if you wanna save money, the magnesium components are only $219 and use the same tweeter as the ultimate pro components that are $100 more. they are supposed to sound really good and should compare pretty similar to koda components. don't use a 5.25" if you aren't going with a 3-way setup.

 

[EvilMSP]

Yeah I wasn't exactly sure what to call it. My friend always referred to the sound change as "smoother" so I went with that. I guess I could call it less punchy and boomy. It sounds much more like a home theatre sub in his giant, and I mean giant box compared to his car setup. But anyway I look into the things you mentioned.

 

[EvilMSP]

Oh so the prices you are finding for these speakers are on the forums? Is there a way to buy them directly?

 

[got wake?]

Oh so the prices you are finding for these speakers are on the forums? Is there a way to buy them directly?

naw, i have the price list from scott bawalda, who i bought my A6 and components from you can buy from him, and the product will be shipped directly from DLS america.

 

[EvilMSP]

Ah very cool. Right now I'm trying to decide what to do amp wise. I do like your amp that you mentioned but I'm trying to find other 5 channel amps like that, just to see what is out there. So far I've only seen one V12 amp but I haven't looked to hard yet. I'm also thinking if have this 5 channel were better than having a 2 or 4 channel and then a sub amp. Of course I'd have to buy a little less quality to keep the price about the same on it.

What would you do? Go for the $350 5 channel or spend 350ish on 2 amps? Quality or quantity? (just wanna make sure that 170 is enough, i'm pretty sure it is, but like I said I like to plan for everything)

 

[chuyler1]

Here are some 5-ch options (in no particular order):
http://www.eclipse-web.com/index_amp.html (2 to choose from)
http://www.mtxaudio.com/caraudio/products/amplifiers/thunder895.cfm
http://www.precisionpower.net/amps/dcx800-5.asp
http://www.orioncaraudio.com/amps/multi-channel.asp
http://www.directed.com/audio/amps/amp_multichan.asp

I would recommend the Eclipses for an SQ setup although the MTX is a great deal for the price. I haven't listened to Precision Power's or Orion's new amps. I read a review a while back on the Directed 600/4 or 600/5 (can't remember which) amp which was very positive...I'd prolly put it in the same class as the MTX but with less flash.

Here are some prices for comparison
http://www.acaraudio.com/default.php?cPath=22_35

Edit:
As for juggling 2amps vs 1, remember that with 1 amp you don't have to worry about a distribution block, multiple gauge wires, and all the other junk that goes with installing two amps. When you have a single amp, its one power wire, one ground wire, and depending upon the amp, one set of RCAs too. (That's $30-60 right there).

 

[EvilMSP]

Good point. And thanks a lot for the links I'm looking through them now.