Need help buying home theatre projector???

1sty said:
That may be not be. However many of there stuff is and damn near all of the proxima stuff was. Keep in mind few companies actualoy make them. Most are resellers to some extent that just tweak a few things or buy a different board or two. Sometimes you can't tell because the specs can be different and have a different chassis. But as a program of Buisness AV systems, the RS-232 codes of some models are either identical to other brands or atleast similar. Some proxima and sanyo proj's use identical codes. I have even called some manufacturers to get ther codes and they told me to call the actualy manufacturing company. This happend to me once with JVC and they told me to call Sony.

Dude - why not just go down to the UL listing numbers if you wanna get that deep. Standardized components is the name of the game in almost any industry. If you really want something high end, you'll be looking a pricetag on cabling alone that is going to eclipse my projector. When my income significantly passes 6 figures I'll be looking at higher end equipment, but until then - I'll buy borderline bargain hardware. The fact is, that for $1000 you can have a screen that will blow you away versus anything else you can get in that price range. With the added positive that it is portable. I'm bringing my HDTV digital cable box and my projector to a friends house for the superbowl party. The closest I could have come to this would be with a 27"-30" LCD TV which would still be a much bigger pain in the ass to transport.
 
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buy a runco vx-2c! and a stewart firehawk to go with it! thats the JUICE!

i work in this industry but i don't know a whole lot about projectors. i just install the stuff, we have other people for tuning and designing. however i really really would like a runco PL-43DHD and a pair of aerial model 7's and a rotel amp. and slowly get another pair of model 7's and then an SW-12 or the new JL-Audio Gotham. eh, maybe someday
 
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Micah said:
Dude - why not just go down to the UL listing numbers if you wanna get that deep. Standardized components is the name of the game in almost any industry. If you really want something high end, you'll be looking a pricetag on cabling alone that is going to eclipse my projector. When my income significantly passes 6 figures I'll be looking at higher end equipment, but until then - I'll buy borderline bargain hardware. The fact is, that for $1000 you can have a screen that will blow you away versus anything else you can get in that price range. With the added positive that it is portable. I'm bringing my HDTV digital cable box and my projector to a friends house for the superbowl party. The closest I could have come to this would be with a 27"-30" LCD TV which would still be a much bigger pain in the ass to transport.

I'm not suggesting someone has to buy a buisness level project for $6K. I was only backing up my statement about many infocus/proximas being clones. not unlike other manufcaturers. Don't read more into it then what I first said. i was pointing out it was possible so Newf could find an alternative source if needed.

As for cabling, It is still being debated heavily as garbage and an end result of marketing over engineering. After all, if home av was at all concerned with cabling for quality over what they can charge, all home audio would be using balanced connections. This is not unlike capacitors in the car audio descusion.

Home audio is definitly behind the professional world when it comes to cabling purely by our need to integrate high quality computer images that can be run over cables several hundred feet long. As a result, most of my industry has all but ingored S-video at this point for its lack of preceivable diffence and severe limitations in cable length. Not exactly problems in home audio however.

As for portability, yes a projector itself can be very portable. Hell if you were up here we could have one with the 4000 lum proj I have at the office. :D
However, its the screen that can creat the portability issue. Especialy if you using something like a recessed electric screen that requires installation. If you are onloy moving the proj and not the screen then you are loosing alot of the image rightness and detail the projector is capable of. So, I wouldn;t say is truely comparible to a high quality LCD or plasma for only the aspect of portability as it s more portable but with the sacrifce of image quality and clarity.

For my own use, I would stay with a high quality LCD screen or something similar. Simply because I don't and won't likely have a room large enough to justify the added image size of a projector. The rough math is that a viewer should be no closer then 2 times the height of the screen. With an 84 inch image that is roughly 8.3 feet for a 4:3 image. Ofcourse with a 16:9 ratio, you can go with larger screens diagonaly as they take advatage more of our er horizontal vision (we see much more horizontaly then verticly). Regardless, for my living room and for most of those that I know of, that is WAY to large of an image. Additionaly, throwing light through other light to create an image is about the worst way to make a vivid anddefined image. So unless that added size is need for a large room, I see little value in it.

Once you start creeping up on large plasmas especialy, you will certainly get into the relm where projectors become a much more cost effective solution for the same size image, however, the brightness and contrast will never be as good unless comparing against a real POS plasma or a bright projector in a low light environment. Pull up the curtins or turn on the lights most people haveon when watching tv and the plasme, LCD, or even good old CRT monitor will be better. Considering I like to be in rooms with alot of ambiant light (Im not a big fan of darkness for watching TV) For a me a projector would be a total waste.


I know, just random thoughts and not exactly on topic just my own comments and observations. Also for $1000 I'd get a sony 32" tube TV.
 
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random thoughts allowed :)

The only parts that are mostly "cloned" are the dlp chips from Texas Instruments, and Epson makes the lcd technology. So, in that respect every projector on the face of the earth uses one of those.....well, just about.

As for cable quality, and screens, totally agree. Keep in mind those screen shots I posted are with a old white wall.

Have you used nothing but business pj's? Because you cannot compare them to home theater pj's. I have had some very nice and very bright business pj's home and I have never been totally satisfied with them. Colors are washed out, blacks are grey, contrast of whites is like looking directly at a light bulb and so on. the home ones have amazing color, and are easily comparable to a plasma. Yes, to get the most you should have a screen, but even on a wall, I have had people over and most people have preferred my image over anything else. I'm sure a 100" Samsung plasma would probably rival my projector, but mine cost 1500.00 bucks, and have you seen how much the largest plasma's are? And don't get me started on LCD technology tv's, I don't like them at all.

As for us, we always have turned the lights down to watch movies. It just adds to the cinema feel. No, i don't like walking around in pitch dark, but I don't have to at all. I usually leave a hall light on, or a lamp or two.

I walked up to a local hifi shop yesterday, and they had some 42" Samsung plasma on display. I walked up to it, laughed, and the salesman was like wtf? I said you call that good? :) With the shop lights on I could barely see the lcd's and plasma's.
 
Newf said:
random thoughts allowed :)

The only parts that are mostly "cloned" are the dlp chips from Texas Instruments, and Epson makes the lcd technology. So, in that respect every projector on the face of the earth uses one of those.....well, just about.
True, thats not what I was commenting on though. I was mentiong that some are all but totaly the same thing other then plastic covers.


Newf said:
Have you used nothing but business pj's? Because you cannot compare them to home theater pj's. I have had some very nice and very bright business pj's home and I have never been totally satisfied with them. Colors are washed out, blacks are grey, contrast of whites is like looking directly at a light bulb and so on. the home ones have amazing color, and are easily comparable to a plasma. Yes, to get the most you should have a screen, but even on a wall, I have had people over and most people have preferred my image over anything else. I'm sure a 100" Samsung plasma would probably rival my projector, but mine cost 1500.00 bucks, and have you seen how much the largest plasma's are? And don't get me started on LCD technology tv's, I don't like them at all.
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We use both as needed by the client as some buissness want a theater room for showing movies although not many people would consider $25000 Barcos a home projector. Most of the newest technologies are typicly, well, terrible. The first LCOS, DLP and even flat LCD's were terrible. Ususaly if a company is pushing for just size, the image sufferes. Also, like alot of technology, as it gets cheaper, it gets worse. The $3000 plasmas that Dell, bestbuy and other push are total crap. Color wise, I still like good old tubes for a low price. I spent a few ours one day at tweeter comparing every display in the store and a 32" sony was the best to me becuase it was bright without being over driven and could stand up to a tonof ambiant light. LCDs are coming along nicely.


As for not seeing a plasma or LCD display in the store well it could be becuase they are not properly DA-ing the signal. In other words they are using bad passive splitters.
I still remeber the fisrt plasma I saw at the office 5 years ago. Damn thing was incredible but cost a ton. To bad the good ones still do. ALthough Panasonic as a decent inexpensive one.
 
I want 1sty's job! You get to play with a lot of toys don't you :)

Call me old fashioned as well, but I still love the look of a good Sony CRT over most other technologies.
 
yep, i totally agree...if loewe hadn't gone out of business i would have bought one. but alas, my sony 34" wide HD will have to do
 

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