NC_MP3 why the 12 yr old attitude...?

[APEXistud]

NC, why the 12 yr old attitude? It's clear you're not mature enough to handle someone disagreeing with you. And if you do have all this technical knowledge, then answer these questions for me, off the top of your head without having to do any research.

Q. Why do people use colder rated spark plugs when going turbo?

Q. Under what conditions are colder plugs warranted in use?

Q. Which is better, a boost-pressurse sensative ignition retard system or a knock-sensor ignition retard system?

Q. Which ignition system is better than the other for daily driven use?

Q. Does an ignition system increase your gas milage on a turbo'd vehicle?

Q. What parts of an engine are directly effected by a turbo?

Q. Why is it not always better to run a large intercooler?

Q. What design of intake manifold is better for turbo charged vehicles?

Q. What is better for high HP applications, an internal wastegate or external one.

Q. Why are forged pistons not always the answer and what is the main concern when using forged pistons?

Q. What kind of cam profiles are better for forced induction applications?

Q. What are the pros and cons with using a Cast Iron exhaust manifold and a SUS Equal length exhaust manifold?

Q. Finally, what's the difference between a TIG weld and MIG Weld? Which is better

If you can't answer all of these questions off the top of your head without doing a search on the internet or asking one of your friends. Don't consider yourself as someone with a lot of technical knowledge on turbo's. These questions should be simple to answer if you know about turbos. I'm not attempting to call you out, I just want to know how much you know and if your posts on turbo's are valid.

 

[APEXistud]

I'd also like to congradulate you on the ability to read an article on what an Drag Turbo'd LS Integra put out. Unfortunatley, talk is still talk and without seeing a Dyno sheet, I will remain a sceptic. Did you notice that the link to the Dyno sheet doesn't work? And I will put my MP3 pink slip down and say that not every Drag Turbo'd LS is going to put down that power at the same PSI. There are a few variables that need to be noted on order for that to true. Variables such as.....What octane gas was used, What the ambient air temp was, How much the had the ignition retarded if they did, What Dynometer was used. Without these questions being answered you cannot consider the Dyno 100% accurate. I'm not disagreeing because I may be wrong either, I just like to see all the information to prove me wrong. At any case, I know for a fact that not ever Drag Turbo'd LS put's that HP to the wheels at only 6-7 psi. Maybe 9-10. Find some sheets and I'll shut up, but until I see at least 3 Dyno sheet's at 3 different locations. I will not beilieve it. If you want I can post at least 5 sheets to prove my point.

 

[tritonheat1]

Hey Apexistud sorry i gotta say that Nc is right cause my brother in-law's brother is running 7psi at 263whp Plymouth laser Rs-t dynoed but i don't have the sheet if that's what your asking for. Trust me you could make a Ls Integ run 0ver 250whp with a T3/T4 or drag kit stage 3. think about it as Nc was saying he was stuck on honda's, ive seen Honda's with stage one turbo's headers and turbo controller running 230++whp. A dude that i know lives here in my town owns a LS integ and dropped a 1.8l GS-R motor with an Aem cold air Intake and have kept up with Type R's do to the fact the Ls weighs 2400-2500++lbs and might of added a little few extra weight dropping the GS-R motor. But he has Beaten Si with stage one turbo's alot and quite abit a couple car lenghs and people think he is running NOs or clutch set. and the bad thing is they don't know he has a Ls integ with a GS-R motor with an Intake.

 

[NC_MP3]

I am not acting like a twelve year old.

Originally Posted By subywan-kenobi:
That you are not an expert is obvious from your post. Am I the only one who is gonna call BS on this claim??

That is acting like a 12 year old. Did I say in my post I am the know it all turbo guy? Did I ask for a reply like that? NO You are a stand up guy Apexi. You have disagreed with me, but you simply say "I don't think it is this way, but this way" You don't flame me.

Your roomate on the other hand, is a ******* dick. If someone were to come up to me and make a comment like that I would put them on their ass, so I am not gonna take it on a message board either. If I were wrong, I would admit it and move on.

I didn't start s***, so when your roomate starts s*** with me, yes I am gonna defend myself to the end. Yes I have an attitude, and I only let it show when people like suby-wondickhead push me.

As others have seen, as long as no one is flaming me I am a nice guy. I don't disrupt the board. I don't go around flaming others.

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about things, and suby's way of pointing out what he thought about the subject was wrong. If he apologizes and recognizes the fact that he was wrong then I will stop giving him s***. Until then I am gonna give him s*** and disrespect him.

Do I disrespect you Apexi? No. I think you are a cool guy and when we come into disagreements we both respect each other. Although this post is a little disrespectful and you are acting kind of childish by demanding I answer questions to prove my knowledge, I forgive ya cause I know you are an aight guy.

I see the point you are making. You are saying Subi doesn't know everything without a little research, but he should have had enough respect to either not post on a subject he didn't have knowledge on, or look it up before he posted it.

That's it I'm done.

[ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: NC_MP3 ]

 

[NC_MP3]

Originally Posted By
I'd also like to congradulate you on the ability to read an article on what an Drag Turbo'd LS Integra put out. Unfortunatley, talk is still talk and without seeing a Dyno sheet

Didn't I say in my post that I got the ~265 whp from friends, online and off? No I didn't get my car dyno'd, and until this came up I never read that overboost article or looked at their ad for the kit. I just dug up some numbers to prove a point.

I got my ~265 whp from 5 different people. 3 of those post regularly on message boards, as do I, 1 is an AIM buddy, and 1 is a RL friend in another NC city that has an LS. All 5 of those people have that same kit, and all 5 have told me they dyno'd the car when the kit was put on and they got ~265 whp. One guy had like 250, one had 270 something, but all were close to 265. All of them said they were running anywhere from 6-7 psi. Again, one guy was running 6, one 7, and so on. That is where I got my numbers from.

Now don't ya think its funny that all 5 of them reported about the same HP? It would be weird if one guy said 280 and one guy said 240. And on top of that there are 2 places on a valid website like Overboost that claims about the same power. Now thats 7 sources that all reported whp @ ~265.

Why would all those people lie? They have nothing to prove. They were simply telling me what they had so I could know about how much I had. They aren't sales reps, they had no reason to lie.

Coming on here and demanding proof of my HP and knowledge is ****** up man. Why do you care? If you don't think the power is there then so be it, don't waste everyone's time by telling us that my Integra doesn't have 265 whp, they don't care. I made the post about the 'Tegra to explain to someone that power gains can be great with turbo, leave it at that.

 

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by tritonheat1:
<STRONG>Hey Apexistud sorry i gotta say that Nc is right cause my brother in-law's brother is running 7psi at 263whp Plymouth laser Rs-t dynoed but i don't have the sheet if that's what your asking for. Trust me you could make a Ls Integ run 0ver 250whp with a T3/T4 or drag kit stage 3. think about it as Nc was saying he was stuck on honda's, ive seen Honda's with stage one turbo's headers and turbo controller running 230++whp. A dude that i know lives here in my town owns a LS integ and dropped a 1.8l GS-R motor with an Aem cold air Intake and have kept up with Type R's do to the fact the Ls weighs 2400-2500++lbs and might of added a little few extra weight dropping the GS-R motor. But he has Beaten Si with stage one turbo's alot and quite abit a couple car lenghs and people think he is running NOs or clutch set. and the bad thing is they don't know he has a Ls integ with a GS-R motor with an Intake.</STRONG>

What is this guy talking about. This discussion is over a Turbo'd Integra LS. And I've seen Integra LS's with GSR motors as well and they still wont hang with a Type R, given that the Type R has a compitent driver.

And again, you may have 7 sources, but I have yet to see a Dyno that list all the variables. You can take your post to Club SI and ask, "How common is it to see a Turbo'd Integra LS get 265whp?" Then sit back and watch the replies. So, based on what you are saying, an Integra LS with a Drag Turbo Kit running a higher 12 PSI will put down 300+ hp to the wheels.....Sorry, but on a daily basis, you will not see those kinda of results, that's what it comes down to.

 

[tritonheat1]

Let Me point it out this way a 1994 Integ Ls with a 94 GS-R motor that can do well over 140++mph and 6.4sec 0-60mph stock. Now Drop that Engine in a Ls i'm pretty darn sure actually i know for a FACT that with the car being lighter and dropping the GS-Rmotor with just a aem cold air intake, i'm sure he could beat Type R's and Civic Si's with stage one turbos. Dude i live 30min away from Fresno if you want "bring your Si or Type R buddies from san Jose to fresno cause i know for a fact that one-4-one will call your leader out and shut him Up after he hands his ass to you saying (one-4-one).

 

[subywan-kenobi]

Hey smart guy, thank you for proving my point!! It's a GSR motor powering it, and that is what we are talking about!! Every time you think you are backing up your buddy NC_MP3, you end up reenforcing what me and Apexi are saying. Its no longer an LS if its powered by a GSR......haven't you ever heard of a hybrid??

 

[subywan-kenobi]

Bro......6.4 isn't nothing to jump up and down about. Granted, its good for FWD, but you act as though he is the fastest in your area. There is no way I'm gonna bring anybody from San Jose to come up to somewhere where the person making the challenge doesn't even understand the argument going on!! I don't mean to sound rude man, but if you don't know whats going on, stay out of the argument.

I once heard a quote, "Its better to keep your mouth shut and appear to be a dumbass, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!!" Just something to think about.

 

[subywan-kenobi]

Originally posted by tritonheat1:
<STRONG>A dude that i know lives here in my town owns a LS integ and dropped a 1.8l GS-R motor with an Aem cold air Intake and have kept up with Type R's do to the fact the Ls weighs 2400-2500++lbs and might of added a little few extra weight dropping the GS-R motor.

.....I know for a FACT that with the car being lighter..... </STRONG>

Here we have another perfect example of misinformation being spread on a message board. Who the hell gave you that information?? Bro, the GSR, LS, and Type R are all within 30 lbs of each other, which is pretty much negligable. 2400 to 2500....hahahaha.......it is much closer to 2640 or so, while the GSR is closer to 2670.

2400 is like hatch territory bro......c'mon at least make your arguments educated!!

 

[tritonheat1]

No he might not be the fastest integra Ls with a GS-R motor. but i guarantee that if you give him a Tiburon with a Intake and Exhaust vs a Civic Si he'll beat the Si or visa versa, he's good at shifting gears, and i'll blow the doors off anyone who thinks there turbocharged type R or Civic Si with pile of ton of bricks hanging on the rear end of the car with all that weight with my eyes closed in my brother-in'law Rx-7 TT. pos"just because u put a GS-R motor in a LS it becomes a GS-R (I don't think So) what a Dumbass"ehh;lol. hey lol" you put a Intake From a Civic Si on the MP3,hey EVERYBODY the MP3 is now Called hybrid Si. "******* dumbass subway fagat." And know this is not comparing apples to oranges ot peaches to pears. Your gonna bring a lame ass dumb line like that then Feedback like that you'll see. Subway says stay out of the conversation, i'm sorry did u mean all up in the koolaid and don't know the flavor,or this is an a and b conversation so C your way out it, ahhh how cute subway "Go play with yourself." go be a hoe and burn 8 rubbers a day.

 

[subywan-kenobi]

Originally posted by tritonheat1:
<STRONG>No he might not be the fastest integra Ls with a GS-R motor. but i guarantee that if you give him a Tiburon with a Intake and Exhaust vs a Civic Si he'll beat the Si or visa versa, he's good at shifting gears, and i'll blow the doors off anyone who thinks there turbocharged type R or Civic Si with pile of ton of bricks hanging on the rear end of the car with all that weight with my eyes closed in my brother-in'law Rx-7 TT. pos"just because u put a GS-R motor in a LS it becomes a GS-R (I don't think So) what a Dumbass"ehh;lol. hey lol" you put a Intake From a Civic Si on the MP3,hey EVERYBODY the MP3 is now Called hybrid Si. "******* dumbass subway fagat." And know this is not comparing apples to oranges ot peaches to pears. Your gonna bring a lame ass dumb line like that then Feedback like that you'll see. Subway says stay out of the conversation, i'm sorry did u mean all up in the koolaid and don't know the flavor,or this is an a and b conversation so C your way out it, ahhh how cute subway "Go play with yourself." go be a hoe and burn 8 rubbers a day.</STRONG>

So, according to your way of thinking, if I throw a Skyline motor in a Civic (not that you could), it is still called a Civic and whomever I beat, I get to say, "Damn, you got beat by a Civic." I think even NC_MP3 will agree with me on that one and he hates my guts!!

ITS THE POWERPLANT THAT MATTERS!! Where did I ever say that throwing on an intake from another car makes it a hybrid?? Wow, you know you've won an argument when the other person has no other option than to start swearing his head off and talk nonsense.

Damn, man you and your buddy NC_MP3 really go good together with your childish attitudes and the way you lash out. You know, at least NC_MP3 could produce a dyno chart in his favor so I can understand his argument even if I disagree with the way he lashed out, but you?? What excuse do you have for your complete idiotic behavior??

 

[tritonheat1]

Ok, i'm sorry for my idiotic behavior,anyways forget about the childish thing that's not the subject,if you slap on a skyline motor in a civic N/A it's called a civic as long as the civic is a civic it's a civic. Nothing can change except the engine and if you can refer something like that than a Civic Si intake on a MP3, the Mp3 is a Si hybrid then. this is nothing to comparing i'm saying though if u say a GS-R or SKyline in a Civic dude it's still a Civic. So no matter what you do to your car refering to everybody then, once you start modding it's no longer a MP3 it's a Domestic import with mods.

 

[subywan-kenobi]

If you say so man, but I'd like to see how many people are gonna agree with that. There is no way a car powered by another motor is considered the same car. It should be called a civic bodied skyline.

Man, look at the latest issue of Turbo. What do you think they call the cover car, which is a supra motor in an RX-7 body. They call it a supra-7!! There is no way you can call that an RX-7 except maybe in your own little world.

 

[APEXistud]

Yeah, I guess I too got a little hasty with my reply, but it was warranted at the time. Seeing as how everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I guess I should have chillied a little, but I think the same as Subywan, when it comes to misinformation on the internet. I don't like people stating information without valid proof. If a person can show more than one real source for their information, sources such as Dynos, printed articles with dynos, then their information will be considered true. But, without facts and numbers to back an arguement, it is just another myth on the internet. Which there seems to be a lot of.

 

[Mp3cHikn]

Children, children..
okay.. I am closing this topic. If you have an opinion, that's great, but be open to other's opinions as well, otherwise, do you think anyone would listen to yours? We are all here to learn and I am sure everyone has found different methods work for different people on different cars. Don't argue and point fingers like kids.. talk about it like adults.. exchange IDEAS not insults. Truthfully, I don't know a thing about engines, but I have learned alot from reading posts, and it gets irritating trying to sift through the garbage.