mz3s and snow

[Tricked-Out-Toy]

I started this topic to find out if my 3s was poorly designed for snow and didnt have enough wieght over the front wheels or if it was the tires. I live in NY and this last week was our 4 or 5 snow storm for the whole year, which the rest of winter the roads have been clear, and to buy dedicated snow tires for the five times ive needed shouldnt be manditory. Another thing, if i did have dedicated snow tires on now i would only have about half tread left seeing how i have only had the car for 5 months and ive already got 16,000 miles on it, I do mostly highway driving NYC to Syracuse, albany, VA, NJ. So back to the point Snow tires are ment for snow i understand that but why would someone shell out $400 to only need them for 5 days!!!! ive never had to do that for any of the other 12 cars ive owned!!!!

PS. never even came close to wrecking my other cars, and more than half were FWD

AND ALL SEASON MEANS ALL SEASON, I KNOW ITS ENGLISH AND MAY BE HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

 

[MsProtege]

I aint trying to Piss people of, Im giving advice for people to stay safe and to not indanger OTHER people on the road.

What Pissed me off was the coment indication how safe it was with all seasons (even a paticular brand was mentioned) But the individuel who has the tires and made the coment doesnt even know the product the own. And this coment being made with this lack of knowledge is ignorent, and Im upset because its not just you or me on the road, there are others uninvolved in our petty arguments that are being put at risk.

I lost my Mother to this ignorance, I was 10 months old, Ive never even told her I love her to her face.

DO YOU WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THIS TO ANOTHER CHILD?

Its all opinions and games until people get killed (and they are 2 people died yesterday due to accidents on the road, and There may be more on the news this evening) This is real and hapening NOW. a good portion of accidents in the winter season are due to the driven not having winter tires and loosing control of the car.

Im upset when someone stupidly advises people its safe to use all season tires (and they dont even know that the tires they call all seasons and prais are actually WINTER TIRES) So he is telling people ITS OK TO USE ALL SEASONS TIRES, BECAUSE MY WINTER TIRES WORK FINE.

IF thats not some STUPID s***, I DONT KNOW WHAT IS!

 

[Tricked-Out-Toy]

Dude relax I know im not (and nobody here) saying you can do a 100 mph with all seasons im just saying why is my 3 the worst thing i ever driven in the snow!!! and driving with all seasons are safe providing you follow the general winter driving rules. and most accidents arent because of not having snow tires its because you were going to damn fast!!!! ive seen tractor trailers with chains sliding down the hill by my house, no tires without studs would make a difference. its all about the speed, and i agreed the Coefficient between snow and a snow tire is great than that of an all season and snow. come on stop talking about you mom we arent talking about driving drunk in the snow!? i dont see the relivence

ps. WHY the cursing?

 

[MsProtege]

first off, in my first post and in many other places in my post, I indicate the need is for locations with regular snowy and Icy conditions.

Secondly, I do speak english, AND I know the first word is "All" but if you contact the manufacter of you "ALL " season tires, they will tell you not to use them below a indicated temperateur. or in very Icy or snowy weather, they are for locations that dont get snow (texas, and so on) or dont get much at all.

And its now being discussed that they will force companies to change the name to Three season tires (if the company hasnt allready made the change)

As the term "All" is a marketingf strategy.

DO you beleve everything you hear, and do you realy think all products live up to there name, come on. "AND ALL SEASON MEANS ALL SEASON" yeah right.

Im bald and there are tons of miracle hair growth products, do you think they all work, because they all claim to.

Sory to bomb your thread. but thems the facts. The reason you werent able to contole you car was because you wernt using winter tires, if you cant see the SIMPLE solution to this it your problem! (some times our safety calls for us to schell out some cash for s*** we dont use often, it still doesnt remove there importance.

sssshhhhheshhhhhhhhh

Keep in mind after a accident accurs, ITS TOO LATE!

 

[Tricked-Out-Toy]

HEY M5 3MT i love that pic of the concept 3 in your sig! where did you get it?

 

[Tricked-Out-Toy]

Dude your missing my MAIN point!!! ive NEVER HAD snow tires and ive NEVER had a problem!! as a matter of fact if had plenty of control with sub-par tires! on cars like mx3s 626, corrola, justy, 929, jetta just to name a few. and i AM talking about areas that dont get that much snow! and desides im asking about the 3 not a protege

 

[Tricked-Out-Toy]

Another question, does anyone know what other cars lug pattern interchanges with my 3, ive got the 5 lug design, I was thinking ford would be a sure fit but wanted to get some opinions thanks

 

[MsProtege]

Good for you, & your right the principles that aply to a Protege dont aply to a 3 or anyother car. (ONLY PROTEGES NEED WINTER TIRES)

What is the point of your question, if you feel its enough to be just like that, why ask, and why be upset at the answer.

Q:Not sure if this is the right forum but i wanna know how many ppl are having trouble with traction on the snow? My 3s is all over the place, this is the worse car in the snow that i have ever driven (next to my camaro). I put the stock all season tires back on for the winter thinking i would be fine but that didnt help.

A:Its because you dont have winter tires! People with them have no problem, people without, do!

ssssssssshhhhhhhhheeeeeesssssshhhhhh

 

[wongpres]

This close to shutting this down guys, stop the personal attacks.

Tricked-Out-Toy, to answer your question about other wheel fitment, look at the sticky at the top of this section to see what the Mazda3 wheel specs are, so you know what specs you need if swapping from another vehicle.

 

[MsProtege]

Im not attacking anybody.

READ THE POST, Im trying to promote a safer road, and my persistance should be commended not remarked as attacks!

THIS IS A SITE FOR Q & A, MAYBE YOU SHOULD TELL PEOPLE NOT TO GET PISSED WHEN THERE QUESTION GETS ANSWERED. (YOU DONT ALWAYS GET THE ANSWER YOU WANT)

What the hell was he expecting? (it's the 3, the 3 doesnt work in the snow?)

To top it off its a stupid question. realy 2+2 is 4!

 

[Airman Jack]

Hey, on topic (I think? ) I've got Toyo Observe Garit HT's on RAV 4 steelies, and I'm very happy I got them. I used to live in Toronto and could get away with all seasons because the snow-clearing services were pretty good, most of the time! Out here in the middle of nowhere however it sucks, so the extra grip I get on icy/snow covered roads comes in handy.

I wouldn't say that snow tires are an absolute must, but they do allow me to keep *some* of the zoom zoom in my winter driving!

 

[Airman Jack]

Another question, does anyone know what other cars lug pattern interchanges with my 3, ive got the 5 lug design, I was thinking ford would be a sure fit but wanted to get some opinions thanks

hey TOT, are you looking for rims that are interchangeable with ours from other manufacturers? I know some from Toyota fit (obviously, they're on my car!)

 

[M3 5MT]

Tricked out Toy:
Thanks, that is a dope picture, I love the fact that its the same color as my car.

MsProtege: Your behavior is both immature and insulting. Your comments were demeaning and your accusations concerning the tires I owned are 100% incorrect:

The Nokian NRW is the first 'All-Weather Plus' performance radial tire specially created for the varying weather conditions of North America. H-rated and designed for true "4-season" driving, the NRW provides safety and performance 365 days a year."
http://www.snowtire.info/TireReviews/FirstReview.htm#5.1.2.NokianNRW|outline

"The European Nokian tire site lists the NRW as a pure winter tire for "alpine" conditions. The North American Nokian tire site actually lists them under all-season as a good snow/slush/ice tire that can handle hot weather. "
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/3877/nokian.html

"The Nokian NRW is the world's first true "All Weather Plus" tire for your SUV or passenger car."
http://www.etires.com/showSizes.jsp?manufacturer=nokian&category=SNOWS&group=NRW

 

[Tricked-Out-Toy]

Airman jack- Yes im looking to know what rims that will fit my car from other manufacturers.im looking in the sticky mentioned above now. Those are some meaty tires, how are they on open roads around 80mph? any road hum/noise?

qeustion, does the 3i come with different tires than the 3s? aside from being 16" vs 17"

2nd question, anyone running just 2 snows up front ON THERE 3?

M3 5MT- Ya its the same color as mine! to bad they cant bring the concept through to real life more like that pic, dont get me wrong i think our cars are hot but that pic blows my mind!

 

[MsProtege]

Tricked out Toy:
Thanks, that is a dope picture, I love the fact that its the same color as my car.

MsProtege: Your behavior is both immature and insulting. Your comments were demeaning and your accusations concerning the tires I owned are 100% incorrect:

The Nokian NRW is the first 'All-Weather Plus' performance radial tire specially created for the varying weather conditions of North America. H-rated and designed for true "4-season" driving, the NRW provides safety and performance 365 days a year."
http://www.snowtire.info/TireReviews/FirstReview.htm#5.1.2.NokianNRW|outline

"The European Nokian tire site lists the NRW as a pure winter tire for "alpine" conditions. The North American Nokian tire site actually lists them under all-season as a good snow/slush/ice tire that can handle hot weather. "
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/3877/nokian.html

"The Nokian NRW is the world's first true "All Weather Plus" tire for your SUV or passenger car."
http://www.etires.com/showSizes.jsp?manufacturer=nokian&category=SNOWS&group=NRW

The European Nokian (theyare developed in Europ) tire site lists the NRW as a pure winter tire for "alpine" conditions. The North American Nokian tire site actually lists them under all-season as a good snow/slush/ice tire that can handle warmweather. Either way they are listed as a good WINTER tire, that can be used in the summer depending on the climat

Very good info, but you need to understand something, these are winter tires period, the company does sell them as "True" all seasons, The winter driving is excelent with them (anybody wanting to use them IN WINTER is fine) but in plus 15 degrees c temperatures going at speeds over 60 mph the tires begine to loose traction and they are DANGEROUS, only not in Winter in summer. This is to ilustrate my point that anytime there is a "comdo" product there are compramises. If you build a summer tire that can be used in the winter you have to compramise the quality of the summer tire to cater to the winter and vise versa. (Most "All" season tires are summer tires made to work is lower temperature Winter, but in your Nokian NRW case, they are winter tires built to work in the warmer weather ) Bolth cases The onc leaning more twords Sumer tire (average all season) are s*** in Winter. & Your Nokian NRW witch are very good Winter tires, but bad summer tires.

So they have one site that says one thing and the other site that says the other, but in bolth cases, this is a WINTER TIRE with warm climat abilitiess.

 

[Tricked-Out-Toy]

hey look at that an ALL season tire sorrry couldnt resist. i do agree with you 100 and 10 % on the fact that an all season tire isnt as good as a winter tire in mid to heavy winter condition and a winter tire sucks if theres no snow on the ground, which you stated yourself. now that i have said that, i stated earlier that i do 90% highway driving at speeds around 70-80MPH, I seriously dont meen to be smart by saying this but would i be risking my life and others on dry pavment at those speeds Vs. a tire rated for both conditions? I understand what your saying about winter tires and how there amazing in the snow but most of the time im not in snow im on dry pavement with a temp around 20-40 degree F. I would def buy winter tires if i was say in alaska on the tundra where you dont see dirt until june but in my case i wanted to know if it was common for our 3s to perform extremly bad in as little as a 1in of snow with the stock tires. the reason i didnt take the "its your tires" reason to heart is becasue of my experiences with regular all seasons on other similar cars.

 

[M3 5MT]

MsProtege:
The fact of the matter is that I ran those NRW's year round, something you can not do with normal snow tires because of the severe tread wear and slight roll when cornering. You originally attacked me when I made this statement and tried to link my rational concerning these tires to the death of your mother. I am very sorry that had to happen to you, but it clearly has nothing to do with me. I honestly believe you owe me an apology.

Tricky - Here's that image full-size:

http://www.geocities.com/rlct5s/concept.jpg

 

[wongpres]

Tricked-Out-Toy,

The factory puts Toyo tires on the Mazda3 15 & 16-inch wheels. While this particular Toyo model is not particularly good overall, they do perform better in snow than the factory 17-inch Goodyear RSA's.

Yes, there are other all-seasons in the Mazda3 17-inch tire size that will provide better winter performance than the Goodyear RSA's, the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S being one (I don't know if those Nokian tires are offered in the OEM 17-inch size). But, the Pilot Sport A/S is expensive, and still nowhere near the performance of even the cheapest winter tire in the factory Mazda3 17-inch tire size.

Finally, it is highly not recommended to run only two winter tires. In fact, if you do run only two tires, the advise is to run them on the rear tires (despite being FWD). The reason is the car will easily spin (oversteer) in even the smallest of turns with the additional grip up front but none at the back. So for this reason, if you do use winter tires, get all four.

 

[Tricked-Out-Toy]

ya after i posted i did some research on adding only two and came to the same conclusion. so im looking for a good all season good at highway speeds w/o any hum and still handles some snow, also i either need to find two more mazda 3 17" rims for cheap or a full set of stealys. if anyone has a couple scratched or has a few blemishes let me know i already have two extra and two more would complete my "winter set"

 

[goldwing2000]

Gee... I've NEVER owned a set of winter tires and I've NEVER wrecked a car in the snow.

As long as you don't drive with your head up your ass, you'll be fine.

Winter aint over yet dont count your chickens before they hatch.

We also had a whole bunch of people boosting high with FCD installed, many people said it was dangerous, and the comon reply was "Ive been driving around for months and no problem" Then in the the ending months of summer, THERE MOTORS BLEW.

Come on! if you havnt had a accident yet count your blessings and get winter tires, because you accident might come tomorow, and you could hit a car with Kids in it and kill one, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL THEN?????????????????????????????????????????

Right. Because this is the first winter I've driven in my whole life. Is there something you don't understand about "never"?

There is no comparison between winter tires and boosting your engine.
There is no comparison between winter tires and drunk driving.

Stop trying to draw one.

Sure, I could get into an accident tomorrow. I could win the lottery, too. And I could get hit by a bus. And an angel could build a nest on the top of my head. So what?

Winter tires have better traction on snow and ice but they have worse traction on dry pavement. They're too soft and they move around too much. Maybe up in Nunavut they leave the snow on the roads but down here in civilization, we have plows and salt. The roads don't stay snow-covered for long. And if the snow is THAT deep, I'm not going to be out driving a Mazda3 in it. That's why I have a Blazer with 35" mud terrains and 4wd.
But of course you already knew that because you know everything, right?

Feel free to express your opinion (which is exactly what it is... your opinion). You have every right to do that. What you don't have a right to do is call people idiot, jackass, moron, etc. because they don't agree with you.

I'm sorry that your mother was killed when you were 10. It sucks and obviously you're still working through issues from it, since you mention it so much. However, drunk driving is not ignorance. It is negligence, stupidity and also illegal.

Driving without winter tires is none of the above. If you drive within your ability, within the limits of your vehicle and without your head up your ass, there's a good chance you'll never have an accident.
If you drive drunk, you're almost guaranteed to not only have an accident, but cause one.

Anyway... now that this is completely off-topic... (headshake

Tricked-Out-Toy, has your question been answered to your satisfaction?