My NA build to 200whp!

I built a custom manifold adapter, and used a set of throttle bodies from a Suzuki Hayabusa. I found the injector location, pre-butterfly stack length and a few other issues that made the setup sub-optimal. So, I cut down my manifold adapter, mounted two sets of aluminum Weber DCOE flanges, then picked these up:

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?products_id=113

And got them working like that. This completely changed how the throttle percentages were handled, as far as the TPS, and the values that were output. I don't recall exactly how I got around this, but it was just a set of values within the ECU, and had to switch a bunch of stuff around to get MAP working. On that note, too, I think you'd be best off to have IRTB's with a collector at the end (I think TweakIt also sells those) and a tube to run a MAF setup, rather than the MAP.

Even when it was tuned poorly, the car had absolutely ABSURD throttle response. Sharp enough that I had to be careful even with all of my engine mounts swapped with urethane to not get wheelhop... From a roll, it would happily do it at the higher end of first gear. Heh.

Let's see... Ditch EGR all together, because it makes it a real b**** to tune for, and you have to make a means to mount it and so on.

Back when I got these throttle bodies (I've since sold them, and the FS to DCOE manifold adapter, though I have a spare aluminum flange for the Intake on the FS engine, as well as some runners bent to shape, if you need them.) I had ordered 45mm race series, though in hindsight, it would have been nice to have the tapered mouth runners, rather than the straight runners. Probably would have helped a little more at the low end. I got the D-shaft for TPS added, and used 11mm injector bungs. Also, I went with the cable pull linkages, and used the stock throttle cable. I fabbed the vac runner myself, but I see they offer that, now, too!

As far as tuning it, I would suggest that you spend quite a bit of time at the dyno, then road test it and adjust as necessary. It makes the car EXTREMELY difficult to drive on the road if you lean things out too much, which lends itself to really rough, jerky throttle transitions... The tip-in enrichment is the biggest deal, since every percent of throttle you transition in is actually throating open a LOT more surface area than a single plate at the base of the plenum.

Oh, also-also, you're going to want to make the runners as long as you can... Seriously. Just don't forget that you have a firewall, and that the engine will rock back and forth, so... I think I ended up getting about 11.5" of runner, total, before I felt uncomfortable with proximity. That makes for a few harmonics at 5500, 7000, and some absurdly high thousand RPM. =) I think 11k, or something.

So to make sure I understand and to put it simply if I bought EFI Hardware Quad Throttle Body Kit I would just have to make a flange that would bolt to my intake ports and the throttle body kit, and then tune it?

A couple questions for you:

1) How much is the EFI Hardware Quad Throttle Body Kit in US dollars?
2) I can't tell from the picture, does this kit come with injectors that I can plug my stock harness to(thats what it looks like from the picture)?
3) How would I incorporate a MAF into a set up like that?
 
Okie, let me answer these one at a time... Oh, losing weight on any part other than a rotating part pretty much won't gain you horsepower, but will improve your power to weight ratio... Which doesn't show up on a dyno, alas. =)

And now, the answers:

1) I think I ended up paying about $1500 USD, all said and done... That was for the QTB setup, and a bunch of extras, plus shipping. That ends up being about 1700 or so AUD.
2) Nope, doesn't come with injectors. I used WRX injectors, on my car. Mostly because I had a spare set around.
3) So, you would build the stacks out, then build a plenum (An air box, essentially) around the assemblies, that came out to an opening on one side. Then, a tube from that opening to the MAF, then out to an air filter, and you're done. It ends up looking less like a quad throttle body setup, and more like a conventional manifold, but it certainly should perform quite well, according to testing that I've not done, but others have. It's kind of how the stock M3 ITB's work, by comparison.

That Extrudabody site looks really cool! And they seem to have a LOT of manifolds for sale, and for cheap! I bet if they had a stock FS head flange, they could hook you up with a manifold. =) Just get on their good sides. Hehee. It's worth a shot, at least! Certainly cheaper.
 
Basically the more weight you lose the closer you get to what the engine is rated at the Crank
 
welcome back flat_black! :) Some nice info posted there!

remember guys, ITB's are only one way to go. a single throttlebody on a well tuned tunnel ram manifold will yield more horsepower, albeit over a far smaller effective rev range.

edit: can we keep the "chit chat" about general NA build techniques in the race thread, to save cluttering up people's build threads? it would make information lots easier to find for everyone too :)
 
edit: can we keep the "chit chat" about general NA build techniques in the race thread, to save cluttering up people's build threads? it would make information lots easier to find for everyone too :)

Yah thats probably a good idea. This thread is filling up pretty quick. I will try and do that.
 
3) So, you would build the stacks out, then build a plenum (An air box, essentially) around the assemblies, that came out to an opening on one side. Then, a tube from that opening to the MAF, then out to an air filter, and you're done. It ends up looking less like a quad throttle body setup, and more like a conventional manifold, but it certainly should perform quite well, according to testing that I've not done, but others have. It's kind of how the stock M3 ITB's work, by comparison.

Just on this - another way to do it -

most ECU's will offer a "TPS Tuning" option as opposed to MAF tuning. the guys over at microtech recommend TPS tuning with all IRTB setups, as it alleviates the problem with poor vac signals which are inherent in IRTB manifolds.

TPS tuning is a little more involved, but you can still get a pretty solid tune, using the TPS load points, and then RPM adjustments over that to smooth out the transitions.
 
Took quite a bit of weight off the crank last night by installing this OBX UDP:

There is the heavy ass stock UDP:
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Here is the glorious new OBX UDP:
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Comparison:
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After having my dad put it in fifth gear and stomp on the brakes I was able to remove the stock and torque the new one on:
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Got the belts on and we are good to go!
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tell us if u feel anything different... and ive been wondering what your car sounds like because im about to have the same setup
 
tell us if u feel anything different... and ive been wondering what your car sounds like because im about to have the same setup

Yes, I felt a difference in the ecceleration and the engine ran a little smoother. Dont have any sound clips of the car but I will try and get some up soon.
 
so did u have to get a new belt to fit that thing? im thinking of buying one now.... i guess ill pm you so i can get sooner answers...
 
so did u have to get a new belt to fit that thing? im thinking of buying one now.... i guess ill pm you so i can get sooner answers...

i'm also lookin at gettin one for when i do my maintenance replacing timing and accessory belts. i remember doing one on my tsi and eclipse and didn't think it would make much of a difference but it released a lot of tension, but was really pricey. for my eclipse the UR pulley was 225. haha very nice!
 
i'm also lookin at gettin one for when i do my maintenance replacing timing and accessory belts. i remember doing one on my tsi and eclipse and didn't think it would make much of a difference but it released a lot of tension, but was really pricey. for my eclipse the UR pulley was 225. haha very nice!

Mine was only $80 (breakn). Do a search on ebay for protege pulleys and you should see the OBX UDP pulleys on the bottom.
 
Mine was only $80 (breakn). Do a search on ebay for protege pulleys and you should see the OBX UDP pulleys on the bottom.

i saw four different ones. anodized blue, silver and red. haha. very nice! not sure what color i'm gonna get but i know it'll be for my spring break project haha.
 
Yes, you need 2 new belts.

And yes, it makes a pretty good bit of difference having it installed.

does anyone have a part # for the belt we need to fit the new udp? when i did mine on the eclipse i ended up buying 5 different ones and just test fitting and returned the one i didn't use. a lot of time wasted. haha
 

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