Msp6
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, here we go again.
People making all sorts of assumptions on a car not even released yet. Comparing performance from a bad press release to cars that have been on the road for ages.
Just like the good ole days of when the MSP was announced. Good times
I will say one thing. The wheels SUCK. I say a spy shot on car and driver TV, they had rx-8 type wheels on it, and the car was white. Looked 155555 times better.
The normal 6 with the skirts/17"wheels/spoiler looks so much sexier, at least in pics.
People making all sorts of assumptions on a car not even released yet. Comparing performance from a bad press release to cars that have been on the road for ages.
Just like the good ole days of when the MSP was announced. Good times
I will say one thing. The wheels SUCK. I say a spy shot on car and driver TV, they had rx-8 type wheels on it, and the car was white. Looked 155555 times better.
The normal 6 with the skirts/17"wheels/spoiler looks so much sexier, at least in pics.
Those mags are all quoting the Mazda released times. No outside source has been allowed to time the car at this point.crossbow said:
FWIW I talked to my souces at Mazda. They indicated that the 0-60 in 6.4sec is indeed a conservative estimate to avoid any performance estimate contraversy (ala RX-8/Miata). Although they wouldn't give me any numbers they nodded when I said "It will be faster than that....right??"
I expect very low 14sec 1/4's, with high 13's possible if you want to pound the differential.
I agree with low-mid 14's. Based on the curbweight and power, thats definitely possible. (As per S60R comparison, which is within 40-60 lbs, but extra 26 bhp and 15 ft/lbs).
Aka its faster then the average grocery getter, but not faster then other "sport" persay cars in and around its class. It's a good matchup vs the Legacy 2.5GT, which is more expensive if you get the full packaging.
The interesting scores are going to be the skidpad and salom times. The one major disappointing factor with the car is the choice of wheels and tires. They are really far to thin for a vehicle of that weight. 215/45/18's on a 18x7 is decent for a 3000 lb car...this baby really needs some 235's on an 8 inch wide rim.
Aka its faster then the average grocery getter, but not faster then other "sport" persay cars in and around its class. It's a good matchup vs the Legacy 2.5GT, which is more expensive if you get the full packaging.
The interesting scores are going to be the skidpad and salom times. The one major disappointing factor with the car is the choice of wheels and tires. They are really far to thin for a vehicle of that weight. 215/45/18's on a 18x7 is decent for a 3000 lb car...this baby really needs some 235's on an 8 inch wide rim.
I've always wondered if the 0-60 times were indeed conservative given the recent mistakes mazda has made in the past with releasing numbers before the final car was done.
Think of it this way. If they say the car does 0-60 in 5.5 sec, and then once it's released people are only getting 6.0 sec.....Mazda looks like a bunch of jackasses again and people s*** on them and call the car crap because most people are childish jackasses.
Now, if they say it's a 6.6 sec run, and the car does it in 6.0 or lower, then Mazda is a hero and the car kicks ass.
I'll reserve my opinion of the entire car until it's released. I got my doubts I'll get be getting this car anyways as it might be a tad too pricey for me. I might wait for the mazdaspeed 3 if there is such a creature in 2006. Or, I'll wait until 2006, save more money for it, and get the updated msp6 with better wheels (hopefully) because I HATE the ones on it now.
Think of it this way. If they say the car does 0-60 in 5.5 sec, and then once it's released people are only getting 6.0 sec.....Mazda looks like a bunch of jackasses again and people s*** on them and call the car crap because most people are childish jackasses.
Now, if they say it's a 6.6 sec run, and the car does it in 6.0 or lower, then Mazda is a hero and the car kicks ass.
I'll reserve my opinion of the entire car until it's released. I got my doubts I'll get be getting this car anyways as it might be a tad too pricey for me. I might wait for the mazdaspeed 3 if there is such a creature in 2006. Or, I'll wait until 2006, save more money for it, and get the updated msp6 with better wheels (hopefully) because I HATE the ones on it now.
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I'd be more worried about tirehop and/or tranny burnouts...Da 6 said:
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Yeah, ask RX-8 owners about that...very expensive indeed.Newf said:
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thanks for trying Mazda...
but this car probably wont be for me. I was looking for an Evo/sti fighter (even if it wasn't up to par with them out of the box) but this is more like an R32 fighter...aka slower than SRT, Wrx, evo etc. yet not horrible to look at, should sound good, and turn and accelerate ok.
Major problems...256 hp was the latest figure I've heard (and coming from Mazda you know that's probably pushing it a little). if wrx make 180 hp to the wheels this should make around 210 if that.
2nd it's 0-60 in 6.5ish is insulting compared to the 6S which would probably battle it pretty well through the quarter mile. Imagine a stock protege es competeing with a MSP...not even close.
biggest problem: the 6S sport package is a great looking car, and although the msp6 looks more agressive, I can't say it looks better.
I hope the car sells well so mazda continues to throw mazdaspeeds out there, but I'm worried about who is going to buy this thing...bring on the MSP3!
but this car probably wont be for me. I was looking for an Evo/sti fighter (even if it wasn't up to par with them out of the box) but this is more like an R32 fighter...aka slower than SRT, Wrx, evo etc. yet not horrible to look at, should sound good, and turn and accelerate ok.
Major problems...256 hp was the latest figure I've heard (and coming from Mazda you know that's probably pushing it a little). if wrx make 180 hp to the wheels this should make around 210 if that.
2nd it's 0-60 in 6.5ish is insulting compared to the 6S which would probably battle it pretty well through the quarter mile. Imagine a stock protege es competeing with a MSP...not even close.
biggest problem: the 6S sport package is a great looking car, and although the msp6 looks more agressive, I can't say it looks better.
I hope the car sells well so mazda continues to throw mazdaspeeds out there, but I'm worried about who is going to buy this thing...bring on the MSP3!
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got Autoweek with test drive and power numbers
274hp and 280ft-lbs. Mazdas rating is 6.6 seconds to 62mph (the car was not tested in the US) and even though they didn't do a track test of the car those numbers sound correct. and they did mention UNDERSTEAR. the car has the RX8's traction controld system and like the rx8 it can be turned off. I really like this on the rear drive 8 as I've got extensive seat time in the 8, but it will most likely have little effect on the awd 6.
Mazda said its main competitor is the Legacy GT, 250 hp version of the STI's 2.5liter, so it's no Evo as expected. oh well, can't wait for MSP3.
274hp and 280ft-lbs. Mazdas rating is 6.6 seconds to 62mph (the car was not tested in the US) and even though they didn't do a track test of the car those numbers sound correct. and they did mention UNDERSTEAR. the car has the RX8's traction controld system and like the rx8 it can be turned off. I really like this on the rear drive 8 as I've got extensive seat time in the 8, but it will most likely have little effect on the awd 6.
Mazda said its main competitor is the Legacy GT, 250 hp version of the STI's 2.5liter, so it's no Evo as expected. oh well, can't wait for MSP3.
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dsm
DYNAMIC STABILITY MANAGEMENT...that's the system that i LOVE on the rx8, and is a must have if you buy one (it's an option)
clarification: DSM is an option on the RX8! and I'm almost possitive it has never been available on the 6. Traction control is DIFFERENT, it just slows down the front wheels when they spin. On the RX8 you can drive like a crazed lunatic on fire and with DSM turned on you will not crash and look like a hero coming out of corners (its awesome to see and fun to do!!!) DSM keeps the car from spinning out of control using braking on different wheels and slowing down different drive wheels, its a good thing on RWD cars.(although it is fun to turn it off when driving slower/burnouts/drifting etc.)
DYNAMIC STABILITY MANAGEMENT...that's the system that i LOVE on the rx8, and is a must have if you buy one (it's an option)
clarification: DSM is an option on the RX8! and I'm almost possitive it has never been available on the 6. Traction control is DIFFERENT, it just slows down the front wheels when they spin. On the RX8 you can drive like a crazed lunatic on fire and with DSM turned on you will not crash and look like a hero coming out of corners (its awesome to see and fun to do!!!) DSM keeps the car from spinning out of control using braking on different wheels and slowing down different drive wheels, its a good thing on RWD cars.(although it is fun to turn it off when driving slower/burnouts/drifting etc.)
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crossbow said:
Since when stock V6 mazda 6 runs high 14 1/4 mile? With slicks?With few grand in mods?
Last time I checked it was 16.3 with auto, manual might be 0.5 sec less.
From data in this post
MSP6 13.24 lb/hp
M6 V6 14.74 lb/hp
Or 1.5 lb/hp more
Audi S4 11.47 lb/hp
or 1.77 lb/hp less than MPS6
Let's look at torque, lb/ft per lb of weight
MSP6 12.96
S4 12.82(almost the same!!)
M6 16.89(mush less!)
Without quoting any acceleration numbers, which are unknown, S4 has same(or less) advantage over MSP6 as MSP6 over 6. I smell bulls***-either V6 is not as fast as it was said, or MSP6 is underrated.
Now about understeer-how the hell do you know about that? Did you drive it?Same auto journalists said that it has "ford-sourced 2.3 liter". Even RWD car will understeer with moron behind the wheel.
It seems that 6 owners are pissed that they are stuck with V6, this is why MSP 6 is "ugly","slow" and "fat pig", although nobody drove or even saw one in person. Or is it just envy that you cannot fork out $30K USD for a car-like I will do in June when my Velocity Red arrives?
We have a MAZDA 6s v6 automatic. We love it! No, it is not faster than a speeding bullet but it is quick enough for the family car. We prefer to look at it for what it can do. It carries four people, quickly from point A to B, gets >30 MPG if you hold it to 75-80 MPH and has enough truck space to go on a trip with four people. It is entertaining to drive on a two lane road. It looks nice and there are not a million of them every where you look.
A faster MazdaSpeed version of the 6 is fine with me. I think that if Mazda were going to go after the STi and EVO they would have started with the Mazda 3.
Of course these are just my two cents.
A faster MazdaSpeed version of the 6 is fine with me. I think that if Mazda were going to go after the STi and EVO they would have started with the Mazda 3.
Of course these are just my two cents.
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