MSP Intake Poll without FMIC.

What intake do you have?

  • Cold Air Intake

    Votes: 123 54.2%
  • Short Ram Intake

    Votes: 32 14.1%
  • Stock Air Box Intake

    Votes: 72 31.7%

  • Total voters
    227
The one coming out from Hiboost will work with the INJEN. Why would you want hot engine air to be your air source?(SRI) With or with out an FMIC, a CAI is the best way to go, in my opinion. My INJEN works fantastic in combination with all of my other modifications. Especially on the top end! WHOOSH-NOT HOT AIR!

Here's an interesting excerpt on the matter:

"Taking the step of removing your factory air intake system has an excellent bang for the buck ratio and as a result is often the first modification enthusiasts do to their new projects. Your new intake will allow colder air in larger amounts into your engine. For reference think of drinking soda with a stir straw vs. a regular straw, larger diameter equals more flow. Depending on your budget there are 2 routes you can take; Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake.
A Short Ram Intake which is often referred to as a warm air intake, positions the filter still inside the engine bay, but at a point as far away as room allows.. Although this Intake setup still takes in hot air, a short ram intake has less restrictions and uses a higher flowing filter allowing air to flow much more freely into your engine. The result? Depending on what you buy, about a 4-8 peak hp gain depending on car and other modifications. It may not sound like much but take into account that you will be gaining power from 2000 rpm until redline, meaning your car will be quicker everywhere in the powerband.

A cold air intake (aka CAI) typically has a longer pipe and its filter is positioned low in the engine bay, close to the ground where it can suck in the rushing air that has not been heated by underhood operating temps. Cold air intakes provide significantly larger gains then a short ram, on some applications gains of up to 15 peak hp have been recorded although this wont be the case for every car out there. "
 
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DAWIV said:
The one coming out from Hiboost will work with the INJEN. Why would you want hot engine air to be your air source?(SRI) With or with out an FMIC, a CAI is the best way to go, in my opinion. My INJEN works fantastic in combination with all of my other modifications. Especially on the top end! WHOOSH-NOT HOT AIR!
I use to have the whole Injen system and when it gets pretty cold out fuel cut hits at 9 psi. After the FMIC we used the extension part and remounted the bracket. The filter now sits close to the transmission box and I don't even hit fuel cut at 10 - 11 psi. Personally I think it's better to have a SRI if your worried about hitting fuel cut or spark cut... whatever it is during the colder days/nights.
 

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I am getting a new MSP soon, but despite what everyone is saying I am getting a ram air setup. I have been researching the effect of ram air on a turbocharger, and this is the only place where people think it is a bad idea. Somebody then said a turbocharger does not take to air being forced to it, but at higher speeds when the air is "forced" the turbo will be working more freely since it does not have to suck air from the intake. There are people running these setups on other cars with great results in my area. If you think about it, the ram-air is non-restrictive which puts it one up on a CAI, but the cold-air from outside puts it one up on an SRI. I have talked to everyone from the local racing shops to my physics instructors on this and they agree, so what's posted on the forums will not change my mind. My ram air hood should be here in a few days, but it may be a while before I can test this because I totaled my MSP, and I am waiting for my insurance money so I can get a new one. Just my opinion.
 
AEM CAI on the way. Will convert that to a short ram for winter by rigging up some sort of custom pipe from the MAF.
 
I'm bone stock, but only because nobody makes an SRI that looks good. There are a jillion CAI's, but I don't want to run any of them because the weather here in Boston blows. In winter the car is always covered in snow and crap and in summer, we get big thunderstorms that flood the city streets. The other day we had a big rainstorm and I had to drive through foot deep water on the highway. I'd have been dead meat with a CAI.

I ran one for a little while on my GTI VR6 and the filter looked like it had been through WWIII after about 3k. Too much water, too much grit and other crap.
 
MSPinVA:

I agree with MazdaDryvr, in that I have not noticed any increase in the volume of the so-called "turkey" after the installation of my K&N panel filter.

On a related point, the turkey sounds more like a dove taking off than a turkey gobble to my ears.
 
Stock Air Box with K&N panel filter. I am waiting for HiBoost's FMIC before I make my decision, but I will be running InJen's CAI and Ion's 3" Turbo back FMIC and trying to run ~9-10psi boost
 
JALover said:
I am Stock Air Box with K&N panel filter.waiting for HiBoost's FMIC before I make my decision, but I will be running InJen's CAI and Ion's 3" Turbo back FMIC and trying to run ~9-10psi boost
Yeah, I'm sorta like this guy. I'm bone stock, but I want the AEM CAI and then to run either the HiBoost FMIC or get the Circuit Sports side mount and then slap on the turbohoses.com hardpipe kit. Together the hardpipes kit and side mount equal the price of the FMIC setups, but it's just another option to keep in mind if you really wanna run a FMIC, with a CAI. Further more,the Circuit Sports piece did do a good job when tested by that one magazine.
 
MSPinVA said:
To you guys with K&N drop in filters.... does the turkey get louder?


Had that setup initially. It was very mild to moderate, kinda like a turkey thats mumbling. Now having the Injen, it makes the turkey sound pissed off.
 
In my opinion, even though this might be slightly off-topic the best possible setup is a SRI with an Air ram. I.E. DGM's ram air hood or something close to that. I am by no means an expert but i have tons of friends with all sorts of different turbo setups and each of them use an SRI, 1/2 or so have an air-ram of some sort. Whether its routing ducting to your filter from an opening on the bumper or whatever. Plus you can shield it with a custom made panel of some sort.
 
have you anti cai guys considered, that even though the piping is longer than an sri. Its still a much more direct shot than the factory piping thats snaked in there. Also will pull colder air..... has to be an inprovment over the stock stuff...
 
mattybo said:
I think an SRI with an Air ram intake will pull colder air than a CAI.
agreed. that's why i have that setup. Not that it wasn't a pain in the ass (it involved cutting, drilling and tig welding on the original pipes, re-routing of vacuum lines). After all of that I think I have the best setup. They don't make the "ram air" intake specifically for the MSP, so it takes some crafty work to get the regular protege SRI to fit. It gets air directly from the outside (faster moving and thus cooler than the CAI), has a rain guard and does not sit nearly as low as the CAI so you don't have to worry about going through a monster puddle and hydrolocking your car. I think there are misconceptions about a ram air intake. There is no way you can ram air down an intake unless you funnel it directly down the intake. That is not what this does. It tunnels the air in from outside the car into a platic container containing the SRI air filter. This air is no way forced into the intake this plastic enclosure has holes in the bottom for water to escape and is by no means air-tight. The intake will only take in air when required and when it does there is plenty of swirling cool outside air for it:) Now, I have about half of the piping of a CAI, and am getting colder air, and am not getting the hotter engine air associated with a short SRI. I really wish DG motorsports would have made a version of this for the MSP so I didn't have to go through all of this (scratched up the polished pipes a bit, really dinged my filter trying to get this measured and figured out), but all is done and I think I have an intake that is better than the CAI or SRI.
 
It's amazing. I was reading some post on why not to buy a ram-air hood for a MSP, and it's downfalls for a turbo car. That's what got me into reasearching it and finding out that it does not "ram-air". That is just a gimmick to get the NA proteges to buy it, and the gains they see is from the SRI/colder outside air (not air ramming to their throttle body). This happens to work out great for us. Like I said, this purchase came with its share of problems (the modification of the SRI is a pain, and the hood clear coat cracked from a factory defect that I had to get refinished). In the end, it works great and looks better than a regular CF hood.
 
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