MS3 Sport speakers and IPOD integration

naddie

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Got a couple of questions.

Just got my MS3 Sport (8.5), and love the car! The stereo is a bit of a disappointment, however. I'm not an audiophile (at least not in the car), but I can already say that it sounds "muddy". In some songs, the treble adjustment seem to have no effect. The mid range is muddy, while bass can be inaccurate.

Would changing the speakers help, or is the stock head unit also to blame?

Lastly, the MP3 function is awesome in the new 8.5! Glad I waited. The TagID support is good. I wonder, though, if I were to get the factory iPod integration kit, would the TagID show up like it does with MP3s on a CD?
 
Was at a Best Buy and saw a pair of Infinity Reference 6822cf (6x8") and some Pioneer TS-A6882R (6x8"). They are direct replacements it seems. Are either better than stock? If so, which should I go for? The Infinity is only $10 more, and seem to be better constructed. I didn't get to listen to them since their display models wasn't working.
 
Anyone? I tried searching, but it seems like there were more info on the aftermarket ipod integration than the mazda factory one.

Either way, I'd like to get an adapter that allows for ID Tags (namely the artist/song name) to be displayed while playing (as well as controlled using the steering wheel controls).

Thanks.
 
I guess no one, huh? That's okay. I found out that the factory one DOESN'T support ID Tags, but an aftermarket one does (and costs almost $160!!!).

In the meantime, I read that many say oval speakers distorts at high volumes and the bass is inaccurate as well. I don't know if they make 6.5" to 6x8" adapters that are any good, as I also read that the usual plastic ones that you can get from Crutchfield sucks. Any suggestions on that? I am kind of leaning towards 6.5" if I can find adapters. If not, I think I'll deal with the so-called distortion (which I may not hear since I'm not a bonified trained audiophile).

I did ran into a problem though - I don't have an iPod yet, so I tested out the Aux in with my current MP3 player (Toshiba Gigabeat S30), and while it sounds great on battery, if I use the car charger, I hear a buzzing noise like a ground loop or something. It happens even if the engine is turned off (just acc on position). Anyone having issues like that? Would the iPod adapter (with a real iPod) eliminate this noise?

Thanks in advance.
 
I know this has probably been asked, but what bitrate are the music files? anything lower than 128 Bit will sound crappy. example: drummer hits cymbols it sounds a bit muddy. i have most of my songs on my zune at 256 and up. it takes up more space on the device, but quality is higher
 
I know this has probably been asked, but what bitrate are the music files? anything lower than 128 Bit will sound crappy. example: drummer hits cymbols it sounds a bit muddy. i have most of my songs on my zune at 256 and up. it takes up more space on the device, but quality is higher

FLAC lossless ftw! (50mb a song lol) poor OinK...
 
You make a good point, EngulfinFlames. I'll have to put in a CDDA to see if the stereo sounds any better.

BTW, I noticed that at volume level 35, the stereo seem to artificially boost the bass and not just making it louder. At 34, I hit the volume button once and then BOOM BOOM BOOM!
 
Thanks fourthmeal. I've been following your threads, and I must say, they scare me, lol. Especially when I saw pictures of the speaker installs.

My goal is to keep the stock head unit and just change speakers. I'm trying to avoid adding a sub and amps. I listen mostly to alternative rock, so no real need for a sub. I also listen to podcasts, but since I can already enjoy those through a tin can, I'm not worried about them.

One of my concerns, though, is that I just noticed that when I go from volume level 34 to 35 and beyond, the bass seems artificially boosted. It sounds muddy even though it's pretty bassy and boomy. It's not accurate at all. Below 35, and everything is fine (though bass lacks a bit of punch). Why the huge difference in that one-step increment?
 
Fourthmeal is an excellent resource, check out his posts.

I'd say start by putting sound deadening into the doors. Replace the front speakers with quality 6.5" components. Put in a multi-channel amp. Add a sub.
 
Believe me ihadacivicsi, I'm hanging on to his every word (and posts/threads). :)

First, if I just change the speakers only and sound deadening just behind the speakers on the door, would that help? Would it destroy the HU since the speakers are less efficient than the stock ones?

I'm thinking about going with the 6x8" Infinity Kappas (direct replacement, no need for adapters). I know they won't sound as good as round speakers, but I hear that available adapters aren't any good and I don't want to fabricate my own from better materials. They are 2 ohms, right? Would that be efficient enough for the stock HU to drive without an amp?

Lastly, if I must go with an AMP and sound processor, which will fit my needs the best? I'm looking for clear and flat with clean near-accurate bass rather than thumpin' (I don't listen to rap). I'm also looking for the least amount of weigh, as I autocross. And, of course, spending less is always a good thing. :)

Again, I'm trying to stick with the stock radio because functionality-wise, it does everything I need and it looks good (blends in with the dash well). Also, I would hate not using the majority of that LCD.

Oh...and that buzzing MP3 player... I ordered a 3.5" to 3.5" in-line filter. That should fix the audio buzzing, but will the noisy DC power itself hurt any of the electronics I plug into the cig lighter? I have a GPS that I don't want to die, as well as my MP3 player.

Thanks for the info.
 
The infinity kappas are actually 3 ohm, though they are listed as 2 on crutchfield. Go to best buy and listen to them (and any others) before you buy anything. Make sure that you like the sound they produce. I have Infinity Reference in all my doors and am very happy with them, but everyone's ears are different. I've heard some folks don't like the sound they produce.
 
If the stock speakers are good, any way to just fix up the bad crossover? I wanted to start small. It's a brand new car with only 300 miles on it.

1. What do you listen to? you mentioned Alternative Rock, and spoken word Podcasts. Is that all?
That's pretty much it. I'm no music snob. :) My friends may put on trance, techno, hip-hop, and rap. I'll only let them when it's a long road trip. :)

2. What do you listen with? (CD, iPod, etc.) you mentioned iPod
Actually I listen mostly to FM and MP3 CD. I tried to use my Toshiba Gigabeat S30 MP3 player and my iRiver H320 MP3 player, but they both make buzzing noises if I also use the cig charger. I'll probably be listening mostly with the FM radio and CDDA/MP3 CDs because I hate the minor hassle of carrying an MP3 player, but I do like the option of doing that (and the idea that I can carry 30-80 GB of music). This is one of the biggest reasons why I waited for the 2008.5s (MP3 CD). The other is the color of the car, but it also turned out the interior also turned me on moreso than the 2006-2008 (bought sight unseen). Sorry, 2006-2008 owners!

3. How do you listen to your music? Meaning, do you crank it, or do you tend to let it play in the background of your daily drive?
I normally leave it in the background, but I do crank it every once in a while - when a good song comes on, or I play my favorite MP3 CDs.

4. If you are at a concert of your favorite band, where are you in the club? Are you close to the band and speakers, or do you stay back where the volume is more consistent? This will tell me more about your preference for in-your-face or laid back speaker designs.
I like sitting closer to the back. I wish I could be closer to the band, but I just can't stand the sound pressure.

5. As a General rule, tweeter designs can be broken up into two types. One sounds sharp and crisp and extremely accurate but can possibly cause slight ear fatigue (especially when playing loud and proud), and the other is smooth, soft, and slightly less clear, but much more gentle on the ears and can be listened to much, much longer. Which would be your preference? Keep in mind that if you want the best of both, then add $$$ to your budget.
I like mine crisp. When I turn up the volume, I don't turn it up for long anyways. They are usually for just a song or two. Once in a while, I leave it turned up for the whole CD (mostly because i really like the entire album). While most like bass, I like hearing the highs and mids. Not that the bass is less important, but mids and highs are where I can tell if the audio is clear or not (or at least that's the impression I get). For me, it's harder to tell if the bass is accurate. Unless the bass is really flabby (as it sounds right now in the stock system probably because of the plastic interior resonating with the bass), I really can't tell if it's accurate or not. Lets just put it this way - I absolutely love the way my Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (computer speakers) sound. The bass is barely turned up, and it sounds (to me) accurate that way.

6. How often do you have rear passengers? Do you care what they hear?
During the weekends, yes, I carry passengers. I care about the back as well because I may find myself sitting there on road trips (brother or friends driving). I sat in the back, and man is it comfortable there! Mind as well complete the experience with sound as well! Lastly (heh... lastly!), I do care about my passengers. :)

7. How much, if any, trunk space can you sacrifice for audio, and/or are you willing to give up your spare tire location (you can always put the spare in the trunk still of course)?
Little to none. I rather have nothing occupying the hatch area. If I must have an amp, I would like to mount it on the passenger side so it won't obstruct the jack and more balanced (since I'd be sitting in the driver seat). I won't mount on the seat since I'd like to have a flat floor if I ever lay them down. And I would not like to sacrifice or relocate my spare.

What is your budget, complete and done with the project? Remember, the more you budget for me, the better I can accommodate your request to stay lightweight, to sound great, and to be easy to work with and install. I'd suggest a dead minimum of $750 out the door, but if you have a number in mind, I can work with it.

I guess I'll set mine at the dead minimum. The most I've ever done in regards to car audio is replace a head unit (mostly because I wanted a MP3 CD player) and speakers. I've never had to deal with amps and/or sound processors.

Hope this helps, fourthmeal.
 
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Thanks for the great in-depth suggestions, fourthmeal.

What do you recommend for a non-amp solution? Simply stick with stock speakers, sound-deaden the area where the speakers are, and fix the bad stock crossover?

I'm on the fence on whether or not I should go with an amp or not. If I do decide to go the amp route, it won't be for a while, since I don't feel like gutting up a new car. Maybe it's something I'll work with someone who have experience with stereo installs. I know someone, but not sure if he would be able to help (lives pretty far).
 
Hey fourthmeal... what do you think of the MA Audio MA110BX subwoofer? It was on top of Sonic's list (sorted by price, lol), and have 3 good reviews on it. It's a 10" sealed box. Would I be satisified based on my choice of music? Seems like any added bass is good enough for me, lol.

So based on that, what would a good amp be?
 
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