MS3 - Rear wing effectiveness

[TurboWagon]

I want to swap mine for the base three wing i think, this one doesn't flow as smooth as the base mazda 3's does.

Im too lazy to search for pictures but it would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison. I think I actually saw a regular 5-door drive by me today but I didn't get a good look at the wing.

 

[autoxes]

If you want to see how effective a spoiler, or a wing for that matter, is, then you just have to angle it the other way. I would wager a great deal of money that at speed, with an up-angled wing you would generate lift, therefore, the inverse is true with the wing angled the correct direction.

 

[AutoXRacer]

I want to swap mine for the base three wing i think, this one doesn't flow as smooth as the base mazda 3's does.

Why would you want to do that...? One of the unique things about the MS3 is the wing... Plus if you ever find yourself going 100+ MPH, you'll be glad you have it...

Mazda spent quite a bit of time in the aerodymanic chamber flow testing this set up...

 

[stevekt]

Doesn't make much sense that the European version which will likely see 100mph+ on a regular basis has the standard 3 spoiler.

 

[AutoXRacer]

The European version has the regular spoiler...? Do you have a picture?

 

[redspeed]

The European version has the regular spoiler...? Do you have a picture?

Here you go bud:

 

[AutoXRacer]

You know what Europe's version doesn't include the wing...? They have better roads and they are better drivers...

On a serious note...thats very odd. I have read that Mazda did spent some time on aero studies... But why wouldn't try include it with the Euro version... Hmm... (uhm)

Maybe Mazda thought that the US is all into bling bling, big wings, ground affects, and flashy cars that maybe that appealed to us...while Europeans are more conservative and purpose oriented...

I like our version better...

 

[Brian MP5T]

The wing is for show. For F-Sakes...

 

[Ryz]

The wing is not for show only. Since the same one we have is available as part of an option package in europe I'd think it's just so they can make some extra money over there.

 

[Brian MP5T]

The wing is not for show only.

Is this your professional Opinion? RU an aerodynamic expert? It is a gut feeling, Did a series of chicken bones in a plate tell you? Did a gopher see it's shadow and tell you that?

Seriously...This forum has taken a dive with crap like that post.

 

[Sveivo]

Wow...just WOW. Making stuff up as we go along?



The rear wing reduces lift, yes. It can help on a FWD, RWD, or AWD car at speed. That exact speed depends greatly on the vehicle, and the wing, but I'd have to estimate it will start making a very slight difference at ~80mph, and increase in effectiveness logarithmically with speed. I imagine at 120 that the wing is QUITE effective in reducing lift, and it may be actually producing downforce by that speed. I can't tell, but it seems to stabilize the ass of the car pretty well.

If you want to know what such little differences can do to a car at speeds like this, simply look at the Audi TT. At 120+, the rear of the car would get squirrelly and they had multiple wrecks on the Autobahn due to the sleek wingless design. The TT soon had a lift-up spoiler similar to Porsche's design, and the wrecks caused by rear-lift ceased.

Logarithmically? That's slower than linearly. Air resistance is proportional to the square of velocity. Who is making stuff up now?

(hahaspit)

 

[dkswim]

the european wing is more aerodynamic the europen version also has a diffrent underbody molding thats more aerodynamic. the car is bound to get better fuel economy which they need with the higher fuel cost.

 

[Brian MP5T]

I = Unsubs from this s***

 

[VAspeed3]

I = Unsubs from this s***

Yep, sometimes you just have to walk away.

Who thinks Mazda put the MS3 spoiler on to keep people safer at 120MPH??? That there are no numbers around that anyone has found might indicate that downforce (if it exists) is not significant. Spoiler was put there to help sell the damn car! (deadhorse

 

[fourthmeal]

Logarithmically? That's slower than linearly. Air resistance is proportional to the square of velocity. Who is making stuff up now?

(hahaspit)

Ah true. I used the wrong words, but that was the idea I was trying to convey. When I think square, I think logs. You win, I'm not a math wiz.

 

[chaos4]

I want to swap mine for the base three wing i think, this one doesn't flow as smooth as the base mazda 3's does.

Really? I bet you have the wind tunnel data to back up. Right?(spank)

 

[Savate]

This is getting old now, not that I had anything else to contribute... (stooges)

 

[BlackJack]

look at the Porsche cars....they have wings in the back which comes up at a speed to help control the car.

The MS3's spoiler is designed to help control the airflow and it IS designed to keep the car stable. end of story. Our MS3's spoiler are tons better than the spoiler in Europe.

 

[x'ed]

Really? I bet you have the wind tunnel data to back up. Right?(spank)

I meant aesthetically smart ass.

 

[Brian MP5T]

look at the Porsche cars....they have wings in the back which comes up at a speed to help control the car.

The MS3's spoiler is designed to help control the airflow and it IS designed to keep the car stable. end of story. Our MS3's spoiler are tons better than the spoiler in Europe.

Yer Retarded if you actually believe that... (rofl)