ms3 compared to a porsche 911

[pointysticks]

hilmark, do you have a pic of your 76?

i have driven a new 911. not brand new, but a 996. there is no comparison with our MS3. apples and oranges. the MS3 is way less costly, and it shows. now dollar for dollar, the speed3 wins.

 

[hilmar2k]

hilmark, do you have a pic of your 76?

Hmmmm...I must somewhere. I will come up with one for you. Truth be told, it isn't really mine anymore. I gave it to my father as a gift a few years back. With the understanding that I get it back someday, of course. I still drive it when I visit my parents.

Man, all this 911 talk makes me wish I hadn't given it to him. But the grin on his face when he drives it makes it worthwhile.

 

[SwampAss]

The only Porsche I've driven for any length of time was a slightly worked 1984 911SC. I'll awesome up this post even more by saying it was doo doo brown (which it was)

Maybe it's just me, and maybe it's in my head, but that car out handles my MS3 in the manner that I drive. I actually drove it to work about a year ago on the same road I usually take. It felt planted and really drove hard off the corners. It's not as quick, but faster in the turns IMO.

 

[happy and angry]

I am blown away by people in this thread saying stuff like "If I get to drive one I'll have to set my expectations low" or "Porsche's are built to handle well, not for speed" or "We actually have torque at the crank" As far as performance goes, they will beat us silly, and you don't put 300 HP in a car that isn't built for speed. You also don't stick the motor on the ass end of a car if you're trying to maximize cornering ability, but that's another issue. Guaranteed the Porsche has less drive train loss and puts more power to the ground than we do, they handle better, and they make power all the way to redline. It's not even a sensible comparison to be making here, guys.

 

[BOOSTR]

The only Porsche I've driven for any length of time was a slightly worked 1984 911SC. I'll awesome up this post even more by saying it was doo doo brown (which it was)

Maybe it's just me, and maybe it's in my head, but that car out handles my MS3 in the manner that I drive. I actually drove it to work about a year ago on the same road I usually take. It felt planted and really drove hard off the corners. It's not as quick, but faster in the turns IMO.

Buffed up wax back
Armor All down
Tell him, homie
Who's in town
(That's my man, Doo Doo Brown)

 

[MicaSp33d]

I am blown away by people in this thread saying stuff like "If I get to drive one I'll have to set my expectations low" or "Porsche's are built to handle well, not for speed" or "We actually have torque at the crank" As far as performance goes, they will beat us silly, and you don't put 300 HP in a car that isn't built for speed. You also don't stick the motor on the ass end of a car if you're trying to maximize cornering ability, but that's another issue. Guaranteed the Porsche has less drive train loss and puts more power to the ground than we do, they handle better, and they make power all the way to redline. It's not even a sensible comparison to be making here, guys.

check out the new cobalt SS, it will beat a 996 carrera 4 and a db7 around the nurburgring. The MS3 didn't do to bad either. Most of the cars around the same time as the MS3 cost at least 10 grand more.

8:22.8 - Chevrolet Cobalt SS <-- fastest FWD record
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT
8:23 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Audi S5
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi
8:25 --- Lotus Exige S
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Evo VI
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Evo VII
8:26 --- BMW 335i Coup
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z
8:28 --- BMW E49 M5
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG
8:31 --- 2006 Cadillac STS-V
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG
8:32 --- Lotus Exige
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk IV
8:35 --- BMW 130i
8:35 --- BMW M3 SMG E36
8:36 --- Porsche Boxster
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG
8:39 --- Honda S2000
8:39 --- Mazdaspeed3
8:39.2 - BMW 135i
8:40 --- Audi TT 2.0 TFSU
8:40 --- Cadillac CTS
8:42 --- Audi TT 1.8 Quattro
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R
8:43.5 - Chevrolet HHR SS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R
8:50 --- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG
8:52 --- VW Golf GTI DSG
8:54 --- VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary
8:55 --- Mini Cooper S Works

 

[Young Roids]

that cobalt just spanked us

 

[matsuda]

check out the new cobalt SS, it will beat a 996 carrera 4 and a db7 around the nurburgring...



8:22.8 - Chevrolet Cobalt SS <-- fastest FWD record
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT
8:23 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Audi S5
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi
8:25 --- Lotus Exige S
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Evo VI
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Evo VII
8:26 --- BMW 335i Coup
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z
8:28 --- BMW E49 M5
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG
8:31 --- 2006 Cadillac STS-V
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG
8:32 --- Lotus Exige
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk IV
8:35 --- BMW 130i
8:35 --- BMW M3 SMG E36
8:36 --- Porsche Boxster
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG
8:39 --- Honda S2000
8:39 --- Mazdaspeed3
8:39.2 - BMW 135i
8:40 --- Audi TT 2.0 TFSU
8:40 --- Cadillac CTS
8:42 --- Audi TT 1.8 Quattro
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R
8:43.5 - Chevrolet HHR SS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R
8:50 --- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG
8:52 --- VW Golf GTI DSG
8:54 --- VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary
8:55 --- Mini Cooper S Works

You obviously cannot take all of the times here as gospel. For example, why does the 130i destroy the 135i?

For most cars there were different drivers, different conditions, etc.

 

[happy and angry]

check out the new cobalt SS, it will beat a 996 carrera 4 and a db7 around the nurburgring. The MS3 didn't do to bad either. Most of the cars around the same time as the MS3 cost at least 10 grand more.

Most of those times aren't run on an empty course by an experienced driver familiar with the 'Ring and paid for by a car company to both develop the suspension and to post the best possible time for the purposes of advertising.

I mean, base model Porsche 911 Carreras run low 13's and trap ~105 in the 1/4, and put up over 0.92G on the skid pad. We're not too far off that, but the differences are significant.

 

[Super Unique]

Here are some more times that make the first list look stupid slow Just to let you know we are still looking @ stuff way far back in the pack. There are several models of 911 that are scorching the previously posted time.

Here is the fastest official ever performed on the ring...

6:25.91 Porsche 956 Gr. C Stefan Bellof 29 May 1983 [11] 1983 1000 km Nrburgring

hmm, what kind of car is that?

Rumor has it that a specially prepared BMW Sauber F1.06 Formula One pulled off a time deep into the 5:51:15 range but there was some controversy over the time.

Here is the rest of the list of production cars

7:26.4* Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 2009 638 hp/1511 kg RWD Jim Mero 2008-06-27 *manufacturer claim. Uncertain Count measurement. Strange start point.

7:27.82* Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 650 PS/1230 kg Marc Basseng 2007-09 *manufacturer claim. Semi-wet conditions.
7:29.03 Nissan GT-R 480 hp/1740 kg AWD Toshio Suzuki 2008-04-16 Best Motoring 07/08 video NISSAN Press release Standard run-flat tires. Dry Track.
7:32.02* Porsche 911 GT2 2008 530 PS/1440 kg Walter Rhrl 2007 *manufacturer claim.Motor Authority Semi-slicks tires.
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR 806 PS/1418 kg Horst von Saurma 2005-10-17 sportauto - Supertest (03/2006)
7:35 RUF RT12 659 PS/1573 kg sportauto - Supertest (02/2008)
7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 626 PS /1768 kg Klaus Ludwig AutoBild
7:40 Porsche Carrera GT 612 PS/1473 kg Horst von Saurma sportauto - Supertest (01/2004)
7:42 Ford GT 550 PS/1521 kg Octane Magazine
7:42 Porsche 911 GT3 415 PS/1440 kg Walter Rhrl Automobil 05/2006 sportauto 05/2006
7:42.99 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 505 hp / 1450 kg Jan Magnussen 2005 Motor Trend[8] Muggy conditions
7:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 381 hp/1360 kg "Motor" magazine
7:44 Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 02/05
7:46 Porsche 911 GT2 462 PS/1450 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 06/01
7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 381 PS/1321 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 08/04
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 620 PS/1690 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:47 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear 640 PS/n/a Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 01/07 Sport tyres
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 512 ps / 1440 kg Horst von Saurma 2007-06-22 Sport Auto
7:50 BMW M3 CSL 360 PS/1421 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 08/03
7:50 BMW X5 E53 LM Hans-Joachim Stuck 2000 EVO magazine 08/2005 BMW M70 S70B56 engine from a V12 LMR producing 750 bhp
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG 582 PS/1678 kg Sport Auto 03/05
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight 233 PS/460 kg Robert Nearn EVO magazine 07/2000
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 490 PS/1493 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 01/06
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 405 PS/1409.1 KG (3100 lb) Dave Hill [1]
7:56 Honda NSX-R (NA2) 280 PS/1270 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best MOTORing 08/02 Omit the safe equipment model No Airbags No ESC No Spare tire
7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo 420 PS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 06/00
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 02/04 Sport tyres
7:59* Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 405 PS/1481 kg driver Dave Hill *manufacturer claim.
7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2nd Generation) 550~ hp John Heinricy 2008-05-09 manufacturer claim[2]
7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S Walter Rhrl WHEELS 06/04 PASM setting “Performance”
7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Dirk Schoysmans Autocar magazine 1997 Without speed limiter
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10 2005-11 Motor Trend

8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 280 PS/1540 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car)
8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series 507 PS/ 1790 kg Autobild 07/07
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005) 380 bhp/1570 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 10/05
8:03 Porsche 911 GT3 360 PS/1391 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 08/99
8:03 Honda NSX-R (NA1) 280 PS/1230 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best MOTORing 02/06 Omit the safe equipment model No Airbags No ESC No Spare tire
8:04 Audi R8 420 PS/1595 kg Sport Auto 07/07
8:05 BMW M3 E92 420 PS/1608 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 12/07
8:06 Subaru WRX STi Spec-C 280 PS/1370 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring Video "NISMO Beast Unleashed"
8:07 BMW Z8 E52 400 PS/1615 kg autobild.de 06/01
8:09 Audi RS4 420 PS sport auto 06/2006
8:09 BMW M6 E63 507 PS/n/a Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 12/05 Sport tyres, limited to 259 km/h
8:09 Honda NSX-R 320 PS/1467 kg Sport Auto 08/02 Sport tires, suspension modification
8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 10/97
8:13 BMW M5 E60 507 PS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 12/04
8:13 Ferrari 355 GTB Sport Auto 10/1994
8:22* Chevrolet Cobalt SS 2008 2.0 Turbo *manufacturer claim.
8:22 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 280 PS/1430 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring Video Special DVD
8:22 BMW M3 E46 343 PS/1584 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 12/00
8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/7 321 PS/1445 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 10/98

 

[PureDrive]

I am blown away by people in this thread saying stuff like "If I get to drive one I'll have to set my expectations low" or "Porsche's are built to handle well, not for speed" or "We actually have torque at the crank" As far as performance goes, they will beat us silly, and you don't put 300 HP in a car that isn't built for speed. You also don't stick the motor on the ass end of a car if you're trying to maximize cornering ability, but that's another issue. Guaranteed the Porsche has less drive train loss and puts more power to the ground than we do, they handle better, and they make power all the way to redline. It's not even a sensible comparison to be making here, guys.

Thank you...

 

[tiagotiago]

Here are some more times that make the first list look stupid slow Just to let you know we are still looking @ stuff way far back in the pack. There are several models of 911 that are scorching the previously posted time.

Here is the fastest official ever performed on the ring...

6:25.91 Porsche 956 Gr. C Stefan Bellof 29 May 1983 [11] 1983 1000 km Nrburgring

hmm, what kind of car is that?

Rumor has it that a specially prepared BMW Sauber F1.06 Formula One pulled off a time deep into the 5:51:15 range but there was some controversy over the time.

Well, yes that was one hell of a car, but it was also one hell of a driver (Bellof). Here's a link to a little summary of that lap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqFrqLBcCGk

A shame he died so young.

Also, the issue with the BMW-Sauber time around the ring is that officialy, they weren't going for the record, and, as far as I know, didn't really do a hot lap, so that time is "a theoretical lap". They didn't go for it because of many reasons: first and foremost would be that a modern F1 car isn't designed for a place like The Ring, the bumps in that circuit are outside of what it can handle and any accident in going for it would have generated bad press for them (as well as a big accident on one of their star drivers); also in that run they fitted the car with "demonstration" tires (otherwise according to current F1 regs, it would have been counted as a test day) and those, according to Heidfeld (the driver), "had no grip".

 

[MicaSp33d]

You obviously cannot take all of the times here as gospel. For example, why does the 130i destroy the 135i?

For most cars there were different drivers, different conditions, etc.

yes thats true .. different drivers, different conditions thats is always a factor in any race. Also some of the times were done on public days with other cars and bikes on the track, while some were done on a closed course.

 

[SwampAss]

I've never driven the Nrburgring to work.

track times = lost on me.

I step on gas.

car goes fast.

swampass happy.

 

[hilmar2k]

I've never driven the Nrburgring to work.

track times = lost on me.

I step on gas.

car goes fast.

swampass happy.

That would have been much better in haiku.

 

[SwampAss]

we already had that thread. (nana)

 

[lil_red_wagon]

but it doesnt give me the stupid dumb grin my 911 does. it feels like a fast buggy.

i know exactly the feeling that you mean. that is how i feel with my rx7.

 

[LReyes66]

porsche 911 turbo

 

[iredremix]

i'd never get a porche anyway lol. thanks for the info man.

 

[SwampAss]

Oh! the sig has it listed!

well, in that case......