Depending on how much the cold air box costs that might make the cost the same as a cai. Then which becomes better, sri with cold air box or cai?
MS CAI or Cobb SRI
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Depending on how much the cold air box costs that might make the cost the same as a cai. Then which becomes better, sri with cold air box or cai?
Vindikacione
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FYI- Non-issue at most dealerships. Let me know of one in which it was an issue and I'll make sure to avoid that one like the plague.
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I went with the cobb. Easy to install, looks and performs great.
If you want to dig in your fender everytime you want to clean your filter be my guess. CAI not worth it IMO.
I had a JLT Carbon Fiber CAI on my 03 Cobra. I Switched it to a SRI. No performance loss what so ever. I am sure the same applies here.
If you want to dig in your fender everytime you want to clean your filter be my guess. CAI not worth it IMO.
I had a JLT Carbon Fiber CAI on my 03 Cobra. I Switched it to a SRI. No performance loss what so ever. I am sure the same applies here.
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MS CAI could stay on, but all others had to be removed.
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Here's my reasoning for the Cobb instead of the MS CAI. Michigan has some pretty funky temperatures and climate changes. I had a CAI in winter time on my Grand Am and it would run pig rich and the filter would get filthy as hell. And as someone mentioned--WHEN you decide to check it, it's hard to tell whether it was too late or not. Plus I always tended to over-oil them.
There are plenty of turbo applications out there with "warm air intakes" (I like to call short rams that). The air is being cooled through the intercooler anyhow. It's easier to clean and install/unintsall. I'm just wishing some local guys would go get their cars dynoed before and after for proof!
There are plenty of turbo applications out there with "warm air intakes" (I like to call short rams that). The air is being cooled through the intercooler anyhow. It's easier to clean and install/unintsall. I'm just wishing some local guys would go get their cars dynoed before and after for proof!
I went with a MS CAI because of the warranty and as somebody previously stated, it just makes sense that a performance part added to a car provide you with the maximum amount of performance. Hence, the CAI wins over a SRI.
Sure, it looks pretty damn cool and yeah, it's easy to clean. But, it's not giving you all the HP available for this type of mod.
Several months ago, people posted up dyno charts and I saw that most people were getting 20-25 hp out of the MS CAI. The best I have seen for the Cobb SRI was like 15 hp. If losing 5-10 hp isn't an issue for you, then yeah, why get a CAI? Either way, it's going to add more power and sound pretty awesome
It IS hard to argue with a lower price and easier maintenance though.
EDIT: and does in fact make your engine bay more sporty. Here in FL though, it gets HOT so I want all the cooling I can get which is why I am going to eventually get the TMIC as well.
Sure, it looks pretty damn cool and yeah, it's easy to clean. But, it's not giving you all the HP available for this type of mod.
Several months ago, people posted up dyno charts and I saw that most people were getting 20-25 hp out of the MS CAI. The best I have seen for the Cobb SRI was like 15 hp. If losing 5-10 hp isn't an issue for you, then yeah, why get a CAI? Either way, it's going to add more power and sound pretty awesome
It IS hard to argue with a lower price and easier maintenance though.
EDIT: and does in fact make your engine bay more sporty. Here in FL though, it gets HOT so I want all the cooling I can get which is why I am going to eventually get the TMIC as well.
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I went with a MS CAI because of the warranty and as somebody previously stated, it just makes sense that a performance part added to a car provide you with the maximum amount of performance. Hence, the CAI wins over a SRI.
Sure, it looks pretty damn cool and yeah, it's easy to clean. But, it's not giving you all the HP available for this type of mod.
Several months ago, people posted up dyno charts and I saw that most people were getting 20-25 hp out of the MS CAI. The best I have seen for the Cobb SRI was like 15 hp. If losing 5-10 hp isn't an issue for you, then yeah, why get a CAI? Either way, it's going to add more power and sound pretty awesome
It IS hard to argue with a lower price and easier maintenance though.
EDIT: and does in fact make your engine bay more sporty. Here in FL though, it gets HOT so I want all the cooling I can get which is why I am going to eventually get the TMIC as well.
We have seen that iats change almost immediately, even in extreme heat.... but if I lived in Florida, I might go CAI myself.
As for these dyno results, link please!
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driver311 took back-to-back dynos of his CAI in CAI and SRI configurations. i believe he used a fujita CAI, and he got basically the same results from both configurations.
the reason a SRI does not perform noticeably worse than a CAI in a turbocharged car is because our intake air is first compressed (raising the temp significantly), and then cooled down using ambient air by the TMIC. this means that if you're comparing a CAI and SRI, and the intake air temp difference was 20F (as an example), the difference in air temp will be significantly less by the time it hits the intake manifold. this is why the CAI does not give as big of a performance upgrade in turbocharged cars as it did in hondas and nissans (NA cars).
the reason a SRI does not perform noticeably worse than a CAI in a turbocharged car is because our intake air is first compressed (raising the temp significantly), and then cooled down using ambient air by the TMIC. this means that if you're comparing a CAI and SRI, and the intake air temp difference was 20F (as an example), the difference in air temp will be significantly less by the time it hits the intake manifold. this is why the CAI does not give as big of a performance upgrade in turbocharged cars as it did in hondas and nissans (NA cars).
I haven't been able to find it again but there was a whole link of just dyno graphs. It was awesome. I would say that I last saw it about 8 months ago? I just don't have more time right now to search through all that.
Anyways, this was one example of several that I remember. The SRI dynos came a long while later. I think 15 was the usual number for the increase.
If you look at the hp/cost ratio of a CAI vs the hp/cost of the SRI, the SRI is of course cheaper but you're not getting as much. So, it's scaled to be pretty similar. Just gotta pay more for more power. I know, crazy isn't it??
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Anyways, this was one example of several that I remember. The SRI dynos came a long while later. I think 15 was the usual number for the increase.
If you look at the hp/cost ratio of a CAI vs the hp/cost of the SRI, the SRI is of course cheaper but you're not getting as much. So, it's scaled to be pretty similar. Just gotta pay more for more power. I know, crazy isn't it??
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I've had the MSCAI at first and then switched over to the Cobb SRI. No notable performance decrease whatsoever. If fact I would go as far to say the Cobb SRI gives you better throttle response and more low end torque. I think maybe just maybe the CAI's will give you more peaks HP but that isn't really all that important. (There’s a scientific reason behind this but I’m too lazy to look it up) – Besides this a “CAI” isn’t really much of a “CAI” once the metal tubing starts heating up from the engine bay.
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