505zoom said:You can also just post a link to this discussion on the sentra board instead of pasting each and every post.
505zoom said:STOP PASTING s***
apocman said:UMMM, you sound like you need some cuddling there rock star and all you have to do is not read it...
now here is the cuddling you so desperatly need my little MSP rockstar...
(humpleg) (upbum)
505zoom said:Most of that conversation wasn't even talking about the difference between the 25R and 28RS... furthermore, the dude that is claiming that the 25R is so much better than the 28RS has no actual proof at all other than written dyno numbers with no details about the runs, and not even sheets to show these numbers. If the same car made runs with the S-15 turbo, the 25R, and the 28RS... all on the same dyno... AND the guy posted actual graphs showing those same results, THEN I would maybe take whan he is saying a little more seriously. As it stands now, I still don't see how putting 28RS internals in a smaller turbo is going to show these results. There is absolutely ZERO technical proof in these findings .
505zoom said:Most of that conversation wasn't even talking about the difference between the 25R and 28RS... furthermore, the dude that is claiming that the 25R is so much better than the 28RS has no actual proof at all other than written dyno numbers with no details about the runs, and not even sheets to show these numbers. If the same car made runs with the S-15 turbo, the 25R, and the 28RS... all on the same dyno... AND the guy posted actual graphs showing those same results, THEN I would maybe take whan he is saying a little more seriously. As it stands now, I still don't see how putting 28RS internals in a smaller turbo is going to show these results. There is absolutely ZERO technical proof in these findings .
apocman said:Don't know I'm not a science guy... only thing is even when we have dyno sheets that doesn't mean anything becuase we all know dyno numbers can be massage to show different results... I guess it will boil down to a annual shootout I have been wanting to have exactly in between DFW and Cali...
have everyone bring their cars and do their best at beating each other in safe races then have dyno where every side can have their own watching closely to ensure no mofo cheats....
cheats will be delt with the same way my friends delt with the guy they took off in a van (thumb)
apocman said:Don't know I'm not a science guy... only thing is even when we have dyno sheets that doesn't mean anything becuase we all know dyno numbers can be massage to show different results... I guess it will boil down to a annual shootout I have been wanting to have exactly in between DFW and Cali...
have everyone bring their cars and do their best at beating each other in safe races then have dyno where every side can have their own watching closely to ensure no mofo cheats....
cheats will be delt with the same way my friends delt with the guy they took off in a van (thumb)
Moeed said:I guess teh way to do this is to have 2 cars with very similar mods, and then using the same psi, what the dyno numbers will be.
My prediction, the upgraded turbo will put out power quicker, but in the top end might make less power, but not off by too much. I dont know, but we need to follow the talk the talk, walk the walk rule.
wicked said:this is going to go nowere,there is no way to prove s***,even if it's putting one turbo one,then swapping.
it's the turbo itself that needs to be tested,PSI vs. CFM.
and this can be seen on a comp MAP,witch has been seen,and displayed on this forum many times.
the disco is for a 300 to 350 HP range on our cars.
the stage 1 25R is for sub 300HP.
you want to go higher,cool,you need to skip the 2871,and head for the GT30 because the GT2871 simply has to large of a exahust,and with out enlarging the comp wheel,it can't spool well(better suited for 2.5-3.0 L engines)
mx3ownzj00 said:...the MPI stage 1 turbo is putting out more hp than I've seen a 28RS make. Lets all ponder for a why that could be... I am...