MPI Tuner dyno proven@ 400hp

[Kooldino]

Yes, TQ and HP MUST cross @ 5252rpm, PERIOD. If they don't, one of the readings is off. So in our runs, our TQ #s COULD be wrong because we had problems with picking up the RPM signal, but the HP numbers are correct.

 

[Kooldino]

The ignition pickup wasn't working properly. It's samples for spark were few and far between. Therefore, the TQ curve is inaccurate.

then can you explain how the first dyno sheets posted were crossing differently?

 

[Kooldino]

Hello Pat, all the runs have the number on them. Dana was to post all of the files so anyone could use what ever scale they would like to use. This way we would not have anyone thinking anything other ten how great Dean did. How can I upload the file for all three Proteges? Then people can play with them as they would like. They will only find that if they use any other formula Deans pulls will be higher.


Thanks again

Later..............Nick

I posted them here on Sat:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69046

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

nice! numbers Nick

 

[MSPinVA]

The ignition pickup wasn't working properly. It's samples for spark were few and far between. Therefore, the TQ curve is inaccurate.

if you look at his charts the scaling for the HP and torque are different. there are nothing wrong with those dyno pulls.

 

[MPNick]

The ignition pickup wasn't working properly. It's samples for spark were few and far between. Therefore, the TQ curve is inaccurate.

On Big Tims car the spark pick up was not working right. That is why he has no Torque reading. On most of your and all of Deans the pick-up was working fine.

Because most of your pulls were done in 3th gear and not 4th I would say that both the hp and torque numbers would not be 100% right. When you get the clamp on the MAF you will be fine. You then can do 4th gear pulls and see how much more power you are making.


Thanks again

Later..........Nick

 

[Bigg Tim]

Mine was the first pro to dyno so they had to find where to hook up the signal wire without getting noise at higher RPM. They did not find it on my runs since I wimped out at 3 pulls. They found it on the first run of Kooldino's so it is accurate. I spoke to the dyno guy after my pulls about that and he did say that they were not getting noise on the other cars. The torque numbers are real.

To those who are questioning it, open the files up yourself and play with the numbers all you want. The dyno SW and calibration was up to date, so get the viewer and look for yourself. Bickering about where they should cross is BS, if MPNick wanted to put out higher numbers, he could of pulled in third, like kooldino, and used a different standard to give him higher numbers. He didn't do that, he pulled in 4th and used SAE to show true numbers. Just to add to the fact that the dynojet dyno being used was the s***, there was a guy there with a BMW that dynoed on thursday somewhere else with different numbers. He dynoed on a mustang dyno at 220whp and on this dynojet he dynoed at 156whp. So if they were trying to up the numbers, why show almost a 100whp difference?

 

[p5sundevil]

as for other dyno's, i know juan has posted pics of his dyno's at 14psi and such....but Im not sure if he was using an F series or E series ECU for that run, im assuming it was an e-.

As for these dynos posted here they are incredible, awesome numbers for all of the different boost settings. Also great to see what the MSP can handle when tuned properly. Makes me wish more and more I had the cash for the MSP at the time.

very nice job all around, great pics and videos.

 

[FrigginGLI]

(omg) Amazing numbers.

 

[AutoBox]

really nice numbers....with so much work on the msp....do u think u can have preset maps ready for us

 

[MPNick]

really nice numbers....with so much work on the msp....do u think u can have preset maps ready for us

Preset maps are like chips, hit and miss all of the time. We can get you in the ball park and you will be able to fine tune it from there. You have tons of people on this forum with the MPI Tuner, so you have alot of people able to help you tune you car.


Thanks again


Later............Nick

 

[Wiggles422]

If all goes well you may see a low 13s run within the next 24 hours.


Thanks again


Later...........Nick

Did you ever get a chance to get to the track?

 

[Wiggles422]

Also, with the lower compression how much longer does it take to get boost?

 

[Kooldino]

Mine was the first pro to dyno so they had to find where to hook up the signal wire without getting noise at higher RPM. They did not find it on my runs since I wimped out at 3 pulls. They found it on the first run of Kooldino's so it is accurate. I spoke to the dyno guy after my pulls about that and he did say that they were not getting noise on the other cars. The torque numbers are real.

To those who are questioning it, open the files up yourself and play with the numbers all you want. The dyno SW and calibration was up to date, so get the viewer and look for yourself. Bickering about where they should cross is BS, if MPNick wanted to put out higher numbers, he could of pulled in third, like kooldino, and used a different standard to give him higher numbers. He didn't do that, he pulled in 4th and used SAE to show true numbers. Just to add to the fact that the dynojet dyno being used was the s***, there was a guy there with a BMW that dynoed on thursday somewhere else with different numbers. He dynoed on a mustang dyno at 220whp and on this dynojet he dynoed at 156whp. So if they were trying to up the numbers, why show almost a 100whp difference?

Actually, 4th gear on a well tuned car would show bigger HP #s. Just look at Dean's case.

 

[igdrasil]

Damn, those are really impressive numbers. Congrats.

And for the people thats still concerned about the "crossing lines" of Torque and HP.

THEY WILL ONLY CROSS IFFFFFFFFFFFFFF BOTH are measured in the same scale!!!!!!!!!!!
HP -------------- TQ
300 ------------- 300
250 ------------- 250
200 ------------- 200
150 ------------- 150

Those graphs are OFF Scale because our torque GOES SO HIGH that the scale needs to be adjusted to keep it IN THE GRAPH near the HP. Thats it...like this:

HP ------------- TQ
300 ------------ 325
250 ------------ 275
200 ------------ 225

 

[Wiggles422]

You people need to learn how to read graphs... here's one to help you guys out. And the HP and torque does cross at 5250 rpms.

 

[jaman]

Damn, those are really impressive numbers. Congrats.

And for the people thats still concerned about the "crossing lines" of Torque and HP.

THEY WILL ONLY CROSS IFFFFFFFFFFFFFF BOTH are measured in the same scale!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry dude, that is wrong.

Like people mentioned, horsepower and torque are related by an equation, where the conversion factor is 5250. It has nothing to do with scales.

I think this point has been beaten to death already, so I won't eloborate.

 

[MPNick]

Did you ever get a chance to get to the track?

Yes we did run it. Best ET run was 13.5s@107.2mph. Best MPH run was 13.6s@108.6mph.

Need to hook up better, spin tires in all of 1st gear.


Thanks again


Later...........Nick

 

[Wiggles422]

What tires were you running with?

 

[MPNick]

Actually, 4th gear on a well tuned car would show bigger HP #s. Just look at Dean's case.

The Dyno-Jet is a load based dyno. All runs should be done as near to 1 to 1 as you can. This is why we only use 4th gear and start our pulls around 2,000. There is more load in 4th gear then in 3th gear. The problem is if the car is not tuned right or if there are problems you will not be able to do a 4th gear pull.

Most of Danas pulls were good in 3th gear untill he hit the MAF voltage problem. In 4th gear the same tune would go to s*** real fast. Cars that dyno in 3th gear and start the pulls early may show good numbers but that is not the right way to tune and dyno.


Thanks again


Later.........Nick